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The fact that if I buy a 64 GB iPhone, then I have to dedicate half of my 128 GB Macbook Pro's SSD just to keep a duplicate of the media on the iPhone (iTunes L

by ypcx 15y ago

The fact that if I buy a 64 GB iPhone, then I have to dedicate half of my 128 GB Macbook Pro's SSD just to keep a duplicate of the media on the iPhone (iTunes Library) that I only use on the phone - is a total deal-breaker for me as far as iPhone goes. Another absolute deal-breaker is that I don't have a credit card - for online stuff I use debit cards from Payoneer and Moneybookers - and these are not accepted by the iTunes shop, and I won't bother with gift certificates. So Android it is. I also love the fact that as a C and Java coder, I can easily change every single thing in the system, should I really want to (OK except the baseband and few other things). All things considered, I think Google is doing extremely good.

beatle 15y ago
I can easily change every single thing in the system, should I really want to Ok why don't you start removing Verizon's bloatware on this Nexus phone.
- shinratdr 15y ago
  I love this. We all know he doesn't actually want to change the filesystem, won't do so, and frankly can't. However, Google's marketing and public line insists that he can, so he can, and this erroneous belief actually helps shape his purchasing decision. This is a good lesson to keep in mind when encountering programmer-types that are arrogant enough to insist they are never swayed by marketing. Truth is, very little marketing targets them. When it does, it works just as effectively as it does with everyone else.
  - jrockway 15y ago
    I've compiled AOSP from source and use that on my phone. In that case, I have the ability to change everything. The only barrier to this (since there are lots of good downloadable variants of this technique, like CyanogenMod) is being able to flash a new firmware on your phone. In many cases, this is explicitly supported (the Nexus One was a good example), and in the other cases, it's very easy to bypass the carrier's attempt at locking you out of your phone. As long as people keep paying the lowest bidder to write critical software in C, you'll be able to install whatever you want on your phone :)
there 15y ago
The fact that if I buy a 64 GB iPhone, then I have to dedicate half of my 128 GB Macbook Pro's SSD just to keep a duplicate of the media on the iPhone i don't understand, are you really complaining that there's a 64gb iphone? compared to the 32gb that comes with the galaxy nexus or the measly non-expandable 16gb that came with the nexus s? you can use icloud to store all of your media on apple's servers if you want, you don't ever have to sync it to a computer. that I only use on the phone you never play music on your computer? conversely, try actually synching music from a computer to an android phone. how do you do it? you need some 3rd party apps and none of the solutions are as seamless as how itunes does it with wifi sync to an iphone (i say that as someone that has had many android phones and written android mp3 synching utilities).
- ypcx 15y ago
  No, I'm not complaining about the 64 GB, that's a good thing. What I meant is that the only way to put media on iPhone is iTunes on my Mac with 100% image of the media, which takes precious SSD space. I wasn't up to date with the iCloud, I'm still running 3GS with iOS 3 (jailbroken with probably more functionality than iOS 5), so that's good to know. Although I'm not sure I want Apple to know (and by definition, sell) the information about all my media, by storing it to iCloud. Btw. the problem is not to get media to iPhone, I can do that via SCP, the problem is getting them included in the iTunes library on the phone, so that they can be played "natively" using the iPod app. On Android, there's plenty of ways to do this, AFAIK.
  - protomyth 15y ago
    I have a pretty big media collection and 512GB drive on my laptop, so I keep my iTunes library on a external drive. This allows me to have it on a RAID.
  - shinratdr 15y ago
    This is a ridiculous complaint. Transferring 64GB of music to an iOS device and then regaining that space is quite simple, and about one or two steps more than the equivalent action with an Android device. Check the little box in iTunes that says "Manually manage music and videos". Drag your 64GB of music into iTunes. Drag the music from the iTunes library to your iOS device in the sidebar. Delete the entries from iTunes, delete the music from your SSD. Done and done. You seem to believe the media has to exist in perpetuity on the computer the iOS device is synced to. This is not the case, and has never been for either traditional iPods or iOS devices. iPods and iOS devices are built on the sync model and don't use regular mass storage, so you need to use iTunes to interact with them. This has upsides and downsides, but if you wish to simply drag music to the device and then delete it from the source you can definitely do that with an iOS device. On an Android device, you can download 64GB of music from the device and get it into the media player, but nobody is going to actually do that. Also, plenty of people carry Android devices and iPod touches as media players so I don't think this aspect is enough to make the Android media player a convincing sell over the iOS one. IMO the fact that Android uses a Linux filesystem and therefore forces me to use the Android File Transfer Utility on my Mac to copy anything to the device is 1000x more annoying than any issues I've encountered with iTunes.

by ypcx 15y ago

beatle 15y ago

I can easily change every single thing in the system, should I really want to Ok why don't you start removing Verizon's bloatware on this Nexus phone.

shinratdr 15y ago
I love this. We all know he doesn't actually want to change the filesystem, won't do so, and frankly can't. However, Google's marketing and public line insists that he can, so he can, and this erroneous belief actually helps shape his purchasing decision. This is a good lesson to keep in mind when encountering programmer-types that are arrogant enough to insist they are never swayed by marketing. Truth is, very little marketing targets them. When it does, it works just as effectively as it does with everyone else.
- jrockway 15y ago
  I've compiled AOSP from source and use that on my phone. In that case, I have the ability to change everything. The only barrier to this (since there are lots of good downloadable variants of this technique, like CyanogenMod) is being able to flash a new firmware on your phone. In many cases, this is explicitly supported (the Nexus One was a good example), and in the other cases, it's very easy to bypass the carrier's attempt at locking you out of your phone. As long as people keep paying the lowest bidder to write critical software in C, you'll be able to install whatever you want on your phone :)

there 15y ago

The fact that if I buy a 64 GB iPhone, then I have to dedicate half of my 128 GB Macbook Pro's SSD just to keep a duplicate of the media on the iPhone i don't understand, are you really complaining that there's a 64gb iphone? compared to the 32gb that comes with the galaxy nexus or the measly non-expandable 16gb that came with the nexus s? you can use icloud to store all of your media on apple's servers if you want, you don't ever have to sync it to a computer. that I only use on the phone you never play music on your computer? conversely, try actually synching music from a computer to an android phone. how do you do it? you need some 3rd party apps and none of the solutions are as seamless as how itunes does it with wifi sync to an iphone (i say that as someone that has had many android phones and written android mp3 synching utilities).

ypcx 15y ago
No, I'm not complaining about the 64 GB, that's a good thing. What I meant is that the only way to put media on iPhone is iTunes on my Mac with 100% image of the media, which takes precious SSD space. I wasn't up to date with the iCloud, I'm still running 3GS with iOS 3 (jailbroken with probably more functionality than iOS 5), so that's good to know. Although I'm not sure I want Apple to know (and by definition, sell) the information about all my media, by storing it to iCloud. Btw. the problem is not to get media to iPhone, I can do that via SCP, the problem is getting them included in the iTunes library on the phone, so that they can be played "natively" using the iPod app. On Android, there's plenty of ways to do this, AFAIK.
- protomyth 15y ago
  I have a pretty big media collection and 512GB drive on my laptop, so I keep my iTunes library on a external drive. This allows me to have it on a RAID.
- shinratdr 15y ago
  This is a ridiculous complaint. Transferring 64GB of music to an iOS device and then regaining that space is quite simple, and about one or two steps more than the equivalent action with an Android device. Check the little box in iTunes that says "Manually manage music and videos". Drag your 64GB of music into iTunes. Drag the music from the iTunes library to your iOS device in the sidebar. Delete the entries from iTunes, delete the music from your SSD. Done and done. You seem to believe the media has to exist in perpetuity on the computer the iOS device is synced to. This is not the case, and has never been for either traditional iPods or iOS devices. iPods and iOS devices are built on the sync model and don't use regular mass storage, so you need to use iTunes to interact with them. This has upsides and downsides, but if you wish to simply drag music to the device and then delete it from the source you can definitely do that with an iOS device. On an Android device, you can download 64GB of music from the device and get it into the media player, but nobody is going to actually do that. Also, plenty of people carry Android devices and iPod touches as media players so I don't think this aspect is enough to make the Android media player a convincing sell over the iOS one. IMO the fact that Android uses a Linux filesystem and therefore forces me to use the Android File Transfer Utility on my Mac to copy anything to the device is 1000x more annoying than any issues I've encountered with iTunes.