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If that is the case, why did all the golden ages of science occur under capitalism? Why didn't modern commumist societies produce greater scientific progress t

If that is the case, why did all the golden ages of science occur under capitalism? Why didn't modern commumist societies produce greater scientific progress than the capitalist world?

mistermann 4y ago
I think it's plausible if you think of it in periods or "waves".....Capitalism may indeed be superior entirely, or it may only be superior up until a certain point, and then once it reaches a certain level of power (political/regulatory/cognitive capture) it could cause certain levels of progress to stagnate...and if adequate capture and ~censorship of information production & distribution has been accomplished, people may never be able to realize the position the system has assumed (or, some may notice, but their messages may be censored or disbelieved).
misterbishop 4y ago
It's a tautology. The whole idea of a "golden age" is premised on liberal/enlightenment values which were brought to life through the revolutionary transition from feudalism to capitalism. There are no modern communist societies.
- bjornsing 4y ago
  > There are no modern communist societies. Not for a lack of trying…
  - misterbishop 4y ago
    on the part of the capitalist counter-revolution as well
cauch 4y ago
I'm not fan of communism, but was not the first man in space from a communist country? I agree that progress is more impressive under capitalist countries (and that capitalist countries have other very useful advantages, such as not having gulags), but I rather feel that the reason was rather that capitalism was very well positioned to grab the low hanging fruits before the others (and also that, due to our position, we see the progress of capitalism as more impressive as the ones from renaissance, antiquity, ... while maybe, relatively, the step was more impressive at the time)
jacob171714 4y ago
The golden age happening under capitalism is a golden age compared to feudalism. I don't think he mentioned communism in his comment.

If that is the case, why did all the golden ages of science occur under capitalism? Why didn't modern commumist societies produce greater scientific progress than the capitalist world?

mistermann 4y ago

I think it's plausible if you think of it in periods or "waves".....Capitalism may indeed be superior entirely, or it may only be superior up until a certain point, and then once it reaches a certain level of power (political/regulatory/cognitive capture) it could cause certain levels of progress to stagnate...and if adequate capture and ~censorship of information production & distribution has been accomplished, people may never be able to realize the position the system has assumed (or, some may notice, but their messages may be censored or disbelieved).

misterbishop 4y ago

It's a tautology. The whole idea of a "golden age" is premised on liberal/enlightenment values which were brought to life through the revolutionary transition from feudalism to capitalism. There are no modern communist societies.

bjornsing 4y ago
> There are no modern communist societies. Not for a lack of trying…
- misterbishop 4y ago
  on the part of the capitalist counter-revolution as well

cauch 4y ago

I'm not fan of communism, but was not the first man in space from a communist country? I agree that progress is more impressive under capitalist countries (and that capitalist countries have other very useful advantages, such as not having gulags), but I rather feel that the reason was rather that capitalism was very well positioned to grab the low hanging fruits before the others (and also that, due to our position, we see the progress of capitalism as more impressive as the ones from renaissance, antiquity, ... while maybe, relatively, the step was more impressive at the time)

jacob171714 4y ago

The golden age happening under capitalism is a golden age compared to feudalism. I don't think he mentioned communism in his comment.