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Just like last time this came up, what actual law is the executive branch accusing TikTok of breaking? I'm no fan of TikTok nor of the CCP and its asymmetric co
by kibwen 4y ago
Just like last time this came up, what actual law is the executive branch accusing TikTok of breaking? I'm no fan of TikTok nor of the CCP and its asymmetric corporate warfare, but the executive branch must not be allowed to invent its own laws.
- creato 4y agoMany imports are banned or heavily tariffed at the whim of the executive branch, I don’t see how this is any different.
- kibwen 4y agoCan you give an example? Sanctions against a country or a particular industry are not the same category as "fuck this one company in particular".
- nicolashahn 4y agoVery related ban of Huawei, ZTE tech: https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/13/17686310/huawei-zte-us-government-contractor-ban-trump https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/13/17686310/huawei-zte-us-go... It was known that these companies actively work with the CCP against US interests, which is the same thing happening with TikTok now.
- kibwen 4y agoThat's a bill that went through congress, and it only applies to the government's own use of those company's products (which I agree with on several fronts).
- nicolashahn 4y agoCarr is calling on congress to craft a bill, so that's in line with this. The situation is different there because the threat is different - the greatest threat from China is if they have a backdoor to US gov devices. The greatest threat with TikTok is (from the article): > Carr highlighted concerns about U.S. data flowing back to China and the risk of a state actor using TikTok to covertly influence political processes in the United States.
- TSiege 4y agoI don't think you realize the scope of this part from the article linked, "In the end, Congress decided on a measure that will essentially ban the US government or anyone that wants to work with the US government from using components from Huawei, ZTE, or a number of other Chinese communications companies." The "anyone that wants to work with the US government" is incredibly broad and effectively banned them from our telecom industry and many others. Here's another article > On Sunday, May 19, 2019, Google publicly declared that it would be complying with Trump’s Huawei ban. Interpreting the language of the order, Google determined that the proper course of action would be to cut Huawei off from Google’s suite of digital products. [...] Not long after Google made its announcement, other US-based companies followed suit. This included Qualcomm, Intel, Arm, Microsoft, and many more. https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-google-android-ban-988382/ https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-google-android-ban-9...
- Rebelgecko 4y agoExecutive branch put Huawei on doc's entity list, which means US businesses can only interact with Huawei in limited situations with explicit licensing from the export control folks.
- Overtonwindow 4y agoThey could put a tariff on TikTok.
- draw_down 4y ago
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago> what actual law is the executive branch accusing TikTok of breaking? The last time this came up there was none [1]. Commissioner Carr's interview appears to be him asking the Congress for such statute. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok_v._Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok_v._Trump
- nicolashahn 4y agoI think preventing the CCP from accessing private data of American citizens probably falls under normal statecraft actions
- kibwen 4y agoAgreed, and "espionage" is a fine answer, but that raises the question of why they haven't gone as far as explicitly saying "espionage".
- nicolashahn 4y agoI think this is a bigger problem, from the article: > Carr highlighted concerns about U.S. data flowing back to China and the risk of a state actor using TikTok to covertly influence political processes in the United States.
- lostmsu 4y agoIs influencing political processes illegal?
- nicolashahn 4y agoIs that something we want a foreign borderline hostile state to be doing?
- afiori 4y agoForeigners cannot donate to political campaigns in the US
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- bergenty 4y agoIt’s from China and involved with the CCP, I think that’s reason enough.
- legitster 4y agoThis is a weird example where we are handing our adversaries something, and they are quietly stockpiling it. And we have no idea what they are doing with it, but it's just kind a weirding out our foreign policy experts.
- trunnell 4y agoThe executive branch is responsible for foreign policy and national security. This issue is about a hostile foreign government being in a position to manipulate the internal communications and political debate in the US. So it's more in the realm of foreign policy and national security rather than US corporate law. (Surprising to see this comment downvoted - why?)
- advisedwang 4y ago> The executive branch is responsible for foreign policy and national security. That doesn't mean they can or should have power to ban any company, communication or program just because of a vague and weak phrase of national security. By similar logic they should be able to just lock up foreign citizens because they might be doing something nefarious for their states. No --- this is what rights are for, and the rule of law still applies.
- HWR_14 4y agoThis is not a claim they are breaking the law. This is publicly asking Congress to change the law.
- Rapzid 4y ago> must not be allowed to invent its own laws Well actually; Delegation of Legislative Power.