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Eh, how is that behavior any different than previous iterations of planking? It is not. The only real difference is that it puts control of a majority of social

Eh, how is that behavior any different than previous iterations of planking? It is not. The only real difference is that it puts control of a majority of social media young people use in the hands of a foreign power. When FB et al were doing the same thing ( with same access ), it was all great. I have no love for social media, but that ban starts at home AND if we accept the proposition that TikTok should be banned, we should be doing the same with FB and its derivatives. For the record, I am all for it ( as long as we apply this idiocy evenly and across the board ). edit: added and across the board

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> only real difference is that it puts control of a majority of social media young people use in the hands of a foreign power An adversary. Different discussion. National security versus public health / competition. We don't need to justify enforcement on Tik Tok against our lenience with Facebook because they're separate conversations. To my knowledge, regulators haven't raised anti-trust concerns with Tik Tok the way they have with Facebook. And nobody has taken the public-health mantel when it comes to social media.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
  <<An adversary. Different discussion. No. Same exact discussion. Those are not separate conversations thanks at partially to globalism and our interconnectedness and interdependence. <<To my knowledge, regulators haven't raised anti-trust concerns with Tik Tok the way they have with Facebook. Yes, regulators also didn't raise any anti-trust concerns in general lately, where US economy is full of oligopolies, where individual companies have the resources, power and impact equal to some nation states and appetites to lock customers even further in their respective locked gardens. I am sorry, but I do not find this argument persuasive based on the reality on the ground alone. You can throw a rock at almost any industry in US and you will find several top dogs owning everything in it. And this is before we get to regulatory capture and revolving doors. edit: To sum up, people like me would argue regulators are not doing their jobs. << We don't need to justify enforcement on Tik Tok against our lenience with Facebook because they're separate conversations. Why not? Scratch that. Why are they separate conversations? It seems TikTok and FB are the same type of app. The only difference is that TikTok is housed in the wrong country. << And nobody has taken the public-health mantel when it comes to social media. Could you elaborate a little? I think I know what you are trying to say, but I do not want to put words in your mouth.
- pasquinelli 4y ago
  > National security what does national security mean to you? to me it means there is a threat to the safety of people living inside the borders of the united states. by that definition, how is china--let alone tiktok--a national security threat?
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > how is china--let alone tiktok--a national security threat? How China is or isn't a threat to America is a big question. That it's perceived as an adversary, almost universally, by not only the U.S. [1][2] but most of the West [3] and its neighbors, is pretty well documented. It's probably the crowning strategic failure of Xi's. [1] https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2961183/defense-official-says-indo-pacific-is-the-priority-theater-china-is-dods-pacing/ https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/29... [2] https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-china-threat https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-chin... [3] https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-slams-china-as-systemic-rival-as-trade-tension-rises/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-slams-china-as-systemic-r...

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> only real difference is that it puts control of a majority of social media young people use in the hands of a foreign power An adversary. Different discussion. National security versus public health / competition. We don't need to justify enforcement on Tik Tok against our lenience with Facebook because they're separate conversations. To my knowledge, regulators haven't raised anti-trust concerns with Tik Tok the way they have with Facebook. And nobody has taken the public-health mantel when it comes to social media.

A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
<<An adversary. Different discussion. No. Same exact discussion. Those are not separate conversations thanks at partially to globalism and our interconnectedness and interdependence. <<To my knowledge, regulators haven't raised anti-trust concerns with Tik Tok the way they have with Facebook. Yes, regulators also didn't raise any anti-trust concerns in general lately, where US economy is full of oligopolies, where individual companies have the resources, power and impact equal to some nation states and appetites to lock customers even further in their respective locked gardens. I am sorry, but I do not find this argument persuasive based on the reality on the ground alone. You can throw a rock at almost any industry in US and you will find several top dogs owning everything in it. And this is before we get to regulatory capture and revolving doors. edit: To sum up, people like me would argue regulators are not doing their jobs. << We don't need to justify enforcement on Tik Tok against our lenience with Facebook because they're separate conversations. Why not? Scratch that. Why are they separate conversations? It seems TikTok and FB are the same type of app. The only difference is that TikTok is housed in the wrong country. << And nobody has taken the public-health mantel when it comes to social media. Could you elaborate a little? I think I know what you are trying to say, but I do not want to put words in your mouth.
pasquinelli 4y ago
> National security what does national security mean to you? to me it means there is a threat to the safety of people living inside the borders of the united states. by that definition, how is china--let alone tiktok--a national security threat?
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > how is china--let alone tiktok--a national security threat? How China is or isn't a threat to America is a big question. That it's perceived as an adversary, almost universally, by not only the U.S. [1][2] but most of the West [3] and its neighbors, is pretty well documented. It's probably the crowning strategic failure of Xi's. [1] https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2961183/defense-official-says-indo-pacific-is-the-priority-theater-china-is-dods-pacing/ https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/29... [2] https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-china-threat https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-chin... [3] https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-slams-china-as-systemic-rival-as-trade-tension-rises/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-slams-china-as-systemic-r...