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> not at all original. > But, even if she did have a distinctive style This is some rough criticism of an artist who's dedicated their profession and life to

> not at all original. > But, even if she did have a distinctive style This is some rough criticism of an artist who's dedicated their profession and life to art. > is (nice, but) This made it all OK!

stavros 4y ago
I don't know this specific artist, but the fact that someone dedicated their profession and life to art doesn't mean they're necessarily good.
- bombcar 4y ago
  Or they could dedicate years and be good (or great!) and still not unique. In fact, the better they get the less likely they are to be unique as more people will imitate their style.
- jfk13 4y ago
  Does whether they're good or not actually have any bearing on the legality or morality of copying their work?
- rosywoozlechan 4y ago
  I didn't make this claim that someone would be good just because of the amount of time spent, the claim I made that is harsh criticism to make when they have. For example if you just started strength training, have been at it for just a few weeks and someone said "you're not very strong" that's not harsh criticism because you just started, but if you've been strength training for 10-20 years and someone said "you're not very strong" that criticism hits different right? Does it make sense what I am saying now? This artist will probably read these HN comments, and I'm struck by how cruel the comments are to someone who's just out there creating wonderful content, didn't ask for any of this, so many of you here do not care about how she feels. I also call into question the ability of these HN commenter's competence at critiquing art.
  - stavros 4y ago
    Ah, yes, that clarifies it, thank you. I agree.
  - i_like_apis 4y ago
    It’s not an art critique. If she reads it, hopefully she understands the lens of the language. Her style is good, and evidently assiduous. Everything said remains relevant.
i_like_apis 4y ago
It’s not rough. Her art is nice. And I’ve also seen a lot of other work that looks like it. Years dedicated to the profession or not. Maybe she’s closer to the origin of the style than most? Anyway I spent all my life writing code and I’m not upset when someone uses patterns I came up with, especially if they credit me.
- doublerabbit 4y ago
  I feed your code in to CoPilot, I've now got my super app. All those years you've spent coding, learning, refactoring, now done by AI in mere seconds. Why should I credit you? I don't need to credit you, why should I feel the need to credit you? AI produced the product. You'd feel pretty annoyed right?
  - i_like_apis 4y ago
    Not at all. I love the idea of Copilot and similar systems! https://youtu.be/gAjR4_CbPpQ https://youtu.be/gAjR4_CbPpQ I have a tiny issue with those systems if/when they output certain memorized content. But that’s a type of bug, which can be avoided. Also I didn’t say I want credit when someone copies my coding style. But if I was being credited, as this woman is being implicitly credited, I would have even less than no reason to complain.
  - throwaway675309 4y ago
    If you knew anything about software development and had actually used copilot you'd know this is a specious argument. I have roughly a hundred git repos. Do I care if somebody based an AI autocomplete off my code? Not even a little bit, I've never given a shit if somebody steals bits and pieces of my code because that's like if I lifted a few paragraphs out of a book somebody wrote, who cares if the book that I'm producing is fundamentally different?
    - doublerabbit 4y ago
      I do. No I am not a software development. I'm a system administrator. I do write code and I would be pissed if some AI came along, took it and regurgitated it for someone else. I take pride in what I write. I don't write it for someone to come and steal it. Sure if I had posted my code online, than I can expect it to be copy & paste but not for the usage of AI.

stavros 4y ago

I don't know this specific artist, but the fact that someone dedicated their profession and life to art doesn't mean they're necessarily good.

bombcar 4y ago
Or they could dedicate years and be good (or great!) and still not unique. In fact, the better they get the less likely they are to be unique as more people will imitate their style.
jfk13 4y ago
Does whether they're good or not actually have any bearing on the legality or morality of copying their work?
rosywoozlechan 4y ago
I didn't make this claim that someone would be good just because of the amount of time spent, the claim I made that is harsh criticism to make when they have. For example if you just started strength training, have been at it for just a few weeks and someone said "you're not very strong" that's not harsh criticism because you just started, but if you've been strength training for 10-20 years and someone said "you're not very strong" that criticism hits different right? Does it make sense what I am saying now? This artist will probably read these HN comments, and I'm struck by how cruel the comments are to someone who's just out there creating wonderful content, didn't ask for any of this, so many of you here do not care about how she feels. I also call into question the ability of these HN commenter's competence at critiquing art.
- stavros 4y ago
  Ah, yes, that clarifies it, thank you. I agree.
- i_like_apis 4y ago
  It’s not an art critique. If she reads it, hopefully she understands the lens of the language. Her style is good, and evidently assiduous. Everything said remains relevant.

i_like_apis 4y ago

It’s not rough. Her art is nice. And I’ve also seen a lot of other work that looks like it. Years dedicated to the profession or not. Maybe she’s closer to the origin of the style than most? Anyway I spent all my life writing code and I’m not upset when someone uses patterns I came up with, especially if they credit me.

doublerabbit 4y ago
I feed your code in to CoPilot, I've now got my super app. All those years you've spent coding, learning, refactoring, now done by AI in mere seconds. Why should I credit you? I don't need to credit you, why should I feel the need to credit you? AI produced the product. You'd feel pretty annoyed right?
- i_like_apis 4y ago
  Not at all. I love the idea of Copilot and similar systems! https://youtu.be/gAjR4_CbPpQ https://youtu.be/gAjR4_CbPpQ I have a tiny issue with those systems if/when they output certain memorized content. But that’s a type of bug, which can be avoided. Also I didn’t say I want credit when someone copies my coding style. But if I was being credited, as this woman is being implicitly credited, I would have even less than no reason to complain.
- throwaway675309 4y ago
  If you knew anything about software development and had actually used copilot you'd know this is a specious argument. I have roughly a hundred git repos. Do I care if somebody based an AI autocomplete off my code? Not even a little bit, I've never given a shit if somebody steals bits and pieces of my code because that's like if I lifted a few paragraphs out of a book somebody wrote, who cares if the book that I'm producing is fundamentally different?
  - doublerabbit 4y ago
    I do. No I am not a software development. I'm a system administrator. I do write code and I would be pissed if some AI came along, took it and regurgitated it for someone else. I take pride in what I write. I don't write it for someone to come and steal it. Sure if I had posted my code online, than I can expect it to be copy & paste but not for the usage of AI.