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Exactly, any coder and artist should learn from scratch without absolutely any exposure to existing code, work of art or even idea. Anything else is outright ST

Exactly, any coder and artist should learn from scratch without absolutely any exposure to existing code, work of art or even idea. Anything else is outright STEALING! Excuse me when I make an apple pie from scratch.

qull 4y ago
Thats a reducto ad absrudium at best. While you have a point, schools and even museums are generally compensated for providing these training models to the public, to look at it in a ml way.
- gpderetta 4y ago
  Sure, I also had to pay for the books I studied from, but Dr. Tanenbaum is yet to knock at my door to assert copyright on all the code I have written.
CharlesW 4y ago
This is a perfect example because, depending on the apples you're using, growing them may have required a license and adherence to licensing requirements. https://mnhardy.umn.edu/apples/licensing https://mnhardy.umn.edu/apples/licensing https://provarmanagement.com/cosmic-crisp/ https://provarmanagement.com/cosmic-crisp/
polotics 4y ago
Have you maybe possibly previously been exposed to the concept of an argumentation straw man? Feeding actual works of art into an approximation machine, and no expecting the output of said machine to not be owned by the author of the art is making a big assumption I think. There is the word copy in "copyright" and the model did definitely got a copy of the original at source. No matter the dilution, copyright is being breached, as I understand it.
ysavir 4y ago
Out of curiosity, how would you feel if someone fed your HN comment history into a ML model, then used that to respond on every HN topic and conversation under the username "othergpderetta"?
- kleer001 4y ago
  Interesting argument, but it'd be outputting fully sounding word salad garbage.
  - gpderetta 4y ago
    So exactly like my comments!!
- gpderetta 4y ago
  My HN history is public, so I wouldn't have a problem with training a model with it. I would have a problem with the model attempting to pass as my self of course.
JohnJamesRambo 4y ago
>Excuse me when I make an apple pie from scratch. You’ll have to invent the universe first.
- gpderetta 4y ago
  I expect a big bang anytime now!

qull 4y ago

Thats a reducto ad absrudium at best. While you have a point, schools and even museums are generally compensated for providing these training models to the public, to look at it in a ml way.

gpderetta 4y ago
Sure, I also had to pay for the books I studied from, but Dr. Tanenbaum is yet to knock at my door to assert copyright on all the code I have written.

CharlesW 4y ago

This is a perfect example because, depending on the apples you're using, growing them may have required a license and adherence to licensing requirements. https://mnhardy.umn.edu/apples/licensing https://mnhardy.umn.edu/apples/licensing https://provarmanagement.com/cosmic-crisp/ https://provarmanagement.com/cosmic-crisp/

polotics 4y ago

Have you maybe possibly previously been exposed to the concept of an argumentation straw man? Feeding actual works of art into an approximation machine, and no expecting the output of said machine to not be owned by the author of the art is making a big assumption I think. There is the word copy in "copyright" and the model did definitely got a copy of the original at source. No matter the dilution, copyright is being breached, as I understand it.

ysavir 4y ago

Out of curiosity, how would you feel if someone fed your HN comment history into a ML model, then used that to respond on every HN topic and conversation under the username "othergpderetta"?

kleer001 4y ago
Interesting argument, but it'd be outputting fully sounding word salad garbage.
- gpderetta 4y ago
  So exactly like my comments!!
gpderetta 4y ago
My HN history is public, so I wouldn't have a problem with training a model with it. I would have a problem with the model attempting to pass as my self of course.

JohnJamesRambo 4y ago

>Excuse me when I make an apple pie from scratch. You’ll have to invent the universe first.

gpderetta 4y ago
I expect a big bang anytime now!