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The issue with this is that the "garbage" posts are the ones that maximize engagement. Twitter and all the other social media sites are showing them on purpose.

The issue with this is that the "garbage" posts are the ones that maximize engagement. Twitter and all the other social media sites are showing them on purpose. They're trying to maximize engagement, why would they decide to quarantine the most engaging posts?

criddell 4y ago
> why would they decide to quarantine the most engaging posts? Maybe as a private company, they can start to think beyond shallow, short term metrics.
- quesera 4y ago
  > Maybe as a private company, they can start to think beyond shallow, short term metrics. Only if Musk operates Twitter as a public service, at a personal expense of at least $700MM/yr. ... Elon's debt service for the purchase exceeds $1BB/yr, for an unprofitable business with $600MM of revenue. If he cuts operating costs by 50% while maintaining revenue (not likely but possible, surely Twitter has too many people today. or last week anyway)... then he personally loses ~$700MM/yr for the privilege of owning Twitter.
  - colinmhayes 4y ago
    Twitters revenue was 5 billion last year.
    - quesera 4y ago
      You're right. I misinterpreted the source -- which on re-read, is a bit of a dog's breakfast: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/30/technology/elon-musk-twitter-debt.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/30/technology/elon-musk-twit... ~$600MM of "cash flow" (I think they mean EBITDA) to service the $1BB debt, so he's about half-way there, before reducing operating costs below 2021's $3BB.
iinnPP 4y ago
People post in the garbage area all the time. It saves a lot of moderation work and everyone from my experience seemed better off for it. Venting can be quite therapeutic but without an audience it isn't as effective. Also, the community developed a bit of a stigma towards people with garbage posts outside of the designated area. Politely, in order to not themselves be stigmatized.
- colinmhayes 4y ago
  I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Twitter wants its users to see the garbage content, that's what's driving engagement. I'm not saying users will refuse to self moderate, I'm saying twitter doesn't want them to.

criddell 4y ago

> why would they decide to quarantine the most engaging posts? Maybe as a private company, they can start to think beyond shallow, short term metrics.

quesera 4y ago
> Maybe as a private company, they can start to think beyond shallow, short term metrics. Only if Musk operates Twitter as a public service, at a personal expense of at least $700MM/yr. ... Elon's debt service for the purchase exceeds $1BB/yr, for an unprofitable business with $600MM of revenue. If he cuts operating costs by 50% while maintaining revenue (not likely but possible, surely Twitter has too many people today. or last week anyway)... then he personally loses ~$700MM/yr for the privilege of owning Twitter.
- colinmhayes 4y ago
  Twitters revenue was 5 billion last year.
  - quesera 4y ago
    You're right. I misinterpreted the source -- which on re-read, is a bit of a dog's breakfast: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/30/technology/elon-musk-twitter-debt.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/30/technology/elon-musk-twit... ~$600MM of "cash flow" (I think they mean EBITDA) to service the $1BB debt, so he's about half-way there, before reducing operating costs below 2021's $3BB.

iinnPP 4y ago

People post in the garbage area all the time. It saves a lot of moderation work and everyone from my experience seemed better off for it. Venting can be quite therapeutic but without an audience it isn't as effective. Also, the community developed a bit of a stigma towards people with garbage posts outside of the designated area. Politely, in order to not themselves be stigmatized.

colinmhayes 4y ago
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Twitter wants its users to see the garbage content, that's what's driving engagement. I'm not saying users will refuse to self moderate, I'm saying twitter doesn't want them to.