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> The real problem is that Microsoft has historically tried to destroy linux, and beyond that, has a huge history of FUD and embrace and extinguish. And now th

> The real problem is that Microsoft has historically tried to destroy linux, and beyond that, has a huge history of FUD and embrace and extinguish. And now they're one of the major backers. All the work is being done in the open, so it's not like there's a nefarious hidden agenda there (an agenda that would have needed to somehow stay dormant for 10+ years). The idea that working for Microsoft is something dirty that should be shunned for open source just doesn't make practical sense.

b112 4y ago
Pulseaudio was developed in the open. So was systemd, and many take issue with that. And embrace and extend can exist in OSS models. Microsoft is dirty, and it is dirt they cannot wash off in a mere few years. If they behave correctly for 20 years, as long as they behaved in a literally evil fashion, then maybe they have reformed.
- rainbow29822 4y ago
  Embrace and extend is a fundamental part of the OSS model. That's what you're supposed to do: pick some OSS, make some custom add-ons to it, then upsell it to your customers. The license encourages everyone to do this. Tons and tons of OSS companies are doing this. Microsoft isn't doing anything out of the ordinary here. Just a reminder holding grudges isn't good for your mental health.
effie 4y ago
Microsoft pushes ads, surveillance software and broken updates on most Windows users. That they are buying influence in Linux and throwing some money at it does not absolve them. Working for bad behaved corporation isn't laudable unless you're literally saving lives there.
- atonse 4y ago
  Err that seems like an unreasonable (and child-like) simplification of the world. Microsoft has done many terrible things. Most companies of that size have. But they have also done a ton of good things. It’s impossible to take a group of tens of thousands of humans and not find rampant examples of both good and terrible things. Sometimes one outweighs the other and that may sound like where you are but there is a wide gap between doing evil and saving lives, and most of us live somewhere in that gap.
  - effie 4y ago
    "It's not me doing the bad things, I just work there."

b112 4y ago

Pulseaudio was developed in the open. So was systemd, and many take issue with that. And embrace and extend can exist in OSS models. Microsoft is dirty, and it is dirt they cannot wash off in a mere few years. If they behave correctly for 20 years, as long as they behaved in a literally evil fashion, then maybe they have reformed.

rainbow29822 4y ago
Embrace and extend is a fundamental part of the OSS model. That's what you're supposed to do: pick some OSS, make some custom add-ons to it, then upsell it to your customers. The license encourages everyone to do this. Tons and tons of OSS companies are doing this. Microsoft isn't doing anything out of the ordinary here. Just a reminder holding grudges isn't good for your mental health.

effie 4y ago

Microsoft pushes ads, surveillance software and broken updates on most Windows users. That they are buying influence in Linux and throwing some money at it does not absolve them. Working for bad behaved corporation isn't laudable unless you're literally saving lives there.

atonse 4y ago
Err that seems like an unreasonable (and child-like) simplification of the world. Microsoft has done many terrible things. Most companies of that size have. But they have also done a ton of good things. It’s impossible to take a group of tens of thousands of humans and not find rampant examples of both good and terrible things. Sometimes one outweighs the other and that may sound like where you are but there is a wide gap between doing evil and saving lives, and most of us live somewhere in that gap.
- effie 4y ago
  "It's not me doing the bad things, I just work there."