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> Of course, the annoying thing about US culture in particular is that introversion is often seen as something undesirable--witness all the articles about how i

> Of course, the annoying thing about US culture in particular is that introversion is often seen as something undesirable--witness all the articles about how introverts should learn to be extroverts, where you don't really see the inverse about how extroverts should learn to be introverts. I think part of this is misunderstanding what it means. I'm very introverted, I'm not shy. No one tells me I should practice being extroverted and it feels like the people who say that really mean "you should try learning to be more social" which is related but on a different axis and might genuinely be a good idea for someone in a collaborative environment even if they need to recover after.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
Problem being, 'collaborative environment' is aggressively pushed almost everywhere, even areas where the benefit of being 'highly collaborative' is questionable at best. At that point, they are asking introverts to put in more to compensate than extroverts, for something which cannot be confirmed to be an improvement. If anything, most places suffer from being too collaborative at the cost of everything else. 'Silence is golden' seems to have been forgotten.
- GuB-42 4y ago
  I think the push for "collaboration" is mostly out of interest for the company. They want people to be easily replaceable (for good and bad reasons), which is easier when several people work on the same thing. They also want people to share resources so that they don't have to spend as much, open floor plans are a great example: they are simply cheaper than offices.
  - GoblinSlayer 4y ago
    What I saw is people are just lazy, they need help because they don't want to do anything, and no matter how much you collaborate with them, they won't become your replacement, they just forget everything on spot. That's what happens when people are not suitable for the job. And if it's not enough, add job hopping to the mix.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago

Problem being, 'collaborative environment' is aggressively pushed almost everywhere, even areas where the benefit of being 'highly collaborative' is questionable at best. At that point, they are asking introverts to put in more to compensate than extroverts, for something which cannot be confirmed to be an improvement. If anything, most places suffer from being too collaborative at the cost of everything else. 'Silence is golden' seems to have been forgotten.

GuB-42 4y ago
I think the push for "collaboration" is mostly out of interest for the company. They want people to be easily replaceable (for good and bad reasons), which is easier when several people work on the same thing. They also want people to share resources so that they don't have to spend as much, open floor plans are a great example: they are simply cheaper than offices.
- GoblinSlayer 4y ago
  What I saw is people are just lazy, they need help because they don't want to do anything, and no matter how much you collaborate with them, they won't become your replacement, they just forget everything on spot. That's what happens when people are not suitable for the job. And if it's not enough, add job hopping to the mix.