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> We're running Linux on computers bundled with Windows out of the box. No all of us are. Fortunately, it's not the 90s, let alone the early 00s. We have the o

> We're running Linux on computers bundled with Windows out of the box. No all of us are. Fortunately, it's not the 90s, let alone the early 00s. We have the option of buying Linux preinstalled. It would be nice if we didn't collectively squander the opportunity. The wider point, though, is spot on. Hardware should obey its owner, not the company or companies that made it. Fortunately, the hardware that best supports Linux also often best supports user modification, so the two interests go well together.

bayindirh 4y ago
> We have the option of buying Linux preinstalled. It would be nice if we didn't collectively squander the opportunity. Of course you're right, but all hardware is certified for Windows at the design stage, and only a subset (EliteBook, ThinkPad, XPS, etc.) is designed and verified against Linux kernel. Kernel needs to workaround a great deal of cut corners or shenanigans (incomplete ACPI tables, anyone?) to be able to function on these systems.
- trelane 4y ago
  I don't think it's true that all hardware is certified for Windows. Yes, most hardware is not designed nor verified for running against Linux. Most hardware doesn't run OSX either. The solution, as with Mac, is to only buy systems with Linux pre-installed and supported. > Kernel needs to workaround a great deal of cut corners or shenanigans (incomplete ACPI tables, anyone?) to be able to function on these systems. Yes, exactly. Just like with Macs, one should buy systems where the firmware (including ACPI) is designed to run Linux. Hackintoshes are interesting, but few seriously consider that the main way of running OSX.
  - bayindirh 4y ago
    I meant all "PC" hardware, sorry for being vague. Also, macOS has an official hardware partner. All in all, we're on the same page. The rest is being pedantic about word semantics. :) > The solution, as with Mac, is to only buy systems with Linux pre-installed and supported. Yes!
    - trelane 4y ago
      Agreed. Right on then. Cheers! :)

bayindirh 4y ago

> We have the option of buying Linux preinstalled. It would be nice if we didn't collectively squander the opportunity. Of course you're right, but all hardware is certified for Windows at the design stage, and only a subset (EliteBook, ThinkPad, XPS, etc.) is designed and verified against Linux kernel. Kernel needs to workaround a great deal of cut corners or shenanigans (incomplete ACPI tables, anyone?) to be able to function on these systems.

trelane 4y ago
I don't think it's true that all hardware is certified for Windows. Yes, most hardware is not designed nor verified for running against Linux. Most hardware doesn't run OSX either. The solution, as with Mac, is to only buy systems with Linux pre-installed and supported. > Kernel needs to workaround a great deal of cut corners or shenanigans (incomplete ACPI tables, anyone?) to be able to function on these systems. Yes, exactly. Just like with Macs, one should buy systems where the firmware (including ACPI) is designed to run Linux. Hackintoshes are interesting, but few seriously consider that the main way of running OSX.
- bayindirh 4y ago
  I meant all "PC" hardware, sorry for being vague. Also, macOS has an official hardware partner. All in all, we're on the same page. The rest is being pedantic about word semantics. :) > The solution, as with Mac, is to only buy systems with Linux pre-installed and supported. Yes!
  - trelane 4y ago
    Agreed. Right on then. Cheers! :)