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Well then second rate gear must be all the west has? The western military industrial complex can't even keep up with the production of armaments they are sendi

Well then second rate gear must be all the west has? The western military industrial complex can't even keep up with the production of armaments they are sending to Ukraine[0]. - [0]: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/28/the-us-and-europe-are-running-out-of-weapons-to-send-to-ukraine.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/28/the-us-and-europe-are-runnin...

_kbh_ 4y ago
> Well then second rate gear must be all the west has? Second rate gear that the west is trying to get rid of is what is being supplied, in part because its nearly as easy as mothballing and a lot of it just happens to cross over with what Ukraine needs. Also by definition the second rate gear may not even be in production anymore which would obviously make, acquiring more of it difficult. Theres no western fighters, EW, tanks or even large drones. Even with some of the good gear that is provided (M270 / HIMARS) they aren't even providing ATACMS or other longe range missiles (such as PrSm, or ER GLMRS).
mcv 4y ago
It's all the west is willing to give away for free. I don't know if you've paid attention at all, but there's not the usual US stealth bombers and fighters, F35s, F22s, F117s, that tend to dominate US conflicts attacking any Russian positions. There's no NATO troops fighting in Ukraine (except a handful on a volunteer basis, but not as part of NATO units). There's no NATO subs sinking the entire Russian Black Sea fleet, which they could easily do. There's no Abrams, Leopard and Challenger tanks attacking Russian positions. Ukraine has received a lot of artillery, as well as old Soviet material, but that's really it. If NATO were to actually get involved in this war, it would be over very soon. But NATO is trying very hard to stay out of it and just giving Ukraine the means to defend itself.

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Well then second rate gear must be all the west has? The western military industrial complex can't even keep up with the production of armaments they are sendi

by pastacacioepepe 4y ago

_kbh_ 4y ago
> Well then second rate gear must be all the west has? Second rate gear that the west is trying to get rid of is what is being supplied, in part because its nearly as easy as mothballing and a lot of it just happens to cross over with what Ukraine needs. Also by definition the second rate gear may not even be in production anymore which would obviously make, acquiring more of it difficult. Theres no western fighters, EW, tanks or even large drones. Even with some of the good gear that is provided (M270 / HIMARS) they aren't even providing ATACMS or other longe range missiles (such as PrSm, or ER GLMRS).
mcv 4y ago
It's all the west is willing to give away for free. I don't know if you've paid attention at all, but there's not the usual US stealth bombers and fighters, F35s, F22s, F117s, that tend to dominate US conflicts attacking any Russian positions. There's no NATO troops fighting in Ukraine (except a handful on a volunteer basis, but not as part of NATO units). There's no NATO subs sinking the entire Russian Black Sea fleet, which they could easily do. There's no Abrams, Leopard and Challenger tanks attacking Russian positions. Ukraine has received a lot of artillery, as well as old Soviet material, but that's really it. If NATO were to actually get involved in this war, it would be over very soon. But NATO is trying very hard to stay out of it and just giving Ukraine the means to defend itself.