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There is a lot of misinformation being spread out. Arm changed the business model from requiring the SoC vendor to license every single piece of IP individuall

There is a lot of misinformation being spread out. Arm changed the business model from requiring the SoC vendor to license every single piece of IP individually up-front (one license for CPU, one license for GPU, one license for interconnect, etc) to a "all you can eat model" and "pay only once you shipped the product": https://www.arm.com/products/flexible-access https://www.arm.com/products/flexible-access This is very positive because it simplifies the legal paperwork for licensing IP (one license gives you access to an entire portfolio of IP instead of just one) and lowers the bar for prototyping because you won't be required to pay full cost for a license you don't you if you will use. Qualcomm is heavily misrepresenting this to their light. Arm preventing customers from mixing Arm IP with other IPs is just straight up lie. You can take Mobileye as an example, they just licensed an Arm GPU with a RISC-V CPU: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17165/mobileye-announces-eyeq-ultra-l4-auto-soc https://www.anandtech.com/show/17165/mobileye-announces-eyeq...

adrian_b 4y ago
Nobody has said that Arm is preventing customers from mixing Arm IP with other IPs now, so nobody lied about this. Qualcomm has said that this is what Arm intends to do in a couple of years from now. Whether this is true or false, it remains to be seen.
- dagmx 4y ago
  oh come on, the majority of people in this HN post are taking it as the state of things now. Very few posts are even mentioning that it’s Qualcomm claiming it. This is a classic misinformation tactic. To present one sides claim as fact and then by the time the truth comes out one way or another, it doesn’t matter because the sensationalist reporting is what people remember.
  - zerohp 4y ago
    HN comments are so full of misinformation when it comes to hardware design that it’s not even worth fighting anymore. This place is lost.
    - dagmx 4y ago
      I think it’s because there’s sooooo many software engineers or sys admins on here who work on higher level applications. Anytime something lower level comes up (like graphics APIs or OS architecture) or hardware related things, the quality of comments drop because there’s less familiarity (and perhaps an over abundance of confidence)

adrian_b 4y ago

Nobody has said that Arm is preventing customers from mixing Arm IP with other IPs now, so nobody lied about this. Qualcomm has said that this is what Arm intends to do in a couple of years from now. Whether this is true or false, it remains to be seen.

dagmx 4y ago
oh come on, the majority of people in this HN post are taking it as the state of things now. Very few posts are even mentioning that it’s Qualcomm claiming it. This is a classic misinformation tactic. To present one sides claim as fact and then by the time the truth comes out one way or another, it doesn’t matter because the sensationalist reporting is what people remember.
- zerohp 4y ago
  HN comments are so full of misinformation when it comes to hardware design that it’s not even worth fighting anymore. This place is lost.
  - dagmx 4y ago
    I think it’s because there’s sooooo many software engineers or sys admins on here who work on higher level applications. Anytime something lower level comes up (like graphics APIs or OS architecture) or hardware related things, the quality of comments drop because there’s less familiarity (and perhaps an over abundance of confidence)