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This is quite alarming when you look at some of the topics that were flagged as “misinformation”. For example in Norway the vaccine recommendations are quite d

This is quite alarming when you look at some of the topics that were flagged as “misinformation”. For example in Norway the vaccine recommendations are quite different than the US in terms of children and covid. https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/vaccination-of-children-and-adolescents-against-covid-19/id2895513/ https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/vaccination-of-childre... It’s fine to agree or disagree but content like this was routinely flagged as “misleading”. Nothing misleading … other developed democratic nations have different viewpoints and different recommendations. The withdrawal of Afghanistan was a disaster. DHS recommendation of flagging of material related to the withdrawal again is not healthy for a democracy. Who watches the watchers? Who determines what content and topics need to flagged and removed? Just my two cents (having worked in government for over a decade) way too much trust is given to this type of government activity.

themitigating 4y ago
Can you show examples of the content that was flagged as misinformation? Did the post only contain a link to the study and/or snippets? Did the person mispresent the results to push a different opinion? I'm not saying that happened but I'd like to see a post that was flagged. EDIT: I also see you posted a link to the study not any censored comment? Why?
- roody15 4y ago
  Try posting this link on Facebook or twitter and add a caption like "Not so sure children need to vaccinated for Covid" For fun I will post this on Reddit on /r/news or /r/health. Will see what happens.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    That's misinformation, it's an opinion based on nothing
    - roody15 4y ago
      It is an opinion but it is not based on nothing. For example Norway has determined that they do not believe children ages 0-11 should be vaccinated against covid. Sharing an opinion supported by some evidence (even if many may disagree) is not misinformation.
      - themitigating 4y ago
        Where's the evidence in that hypothetical post and it's not true in all situations. The hypothetical doesn't specify details.
        roody15 4y ago
        Example post or tweet would be something like: “ Not so sure children need to vaccinated for Covid (https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/vaccination-of-children-and-adolescents-against-covid-19/id2895513/ https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/vaccination-of-childre...) “ Comment with supporting government documentation.
        someNameIG 4y ago
        As someone who's engaged in vaccine discussions on Twitter, I've never seen a comment like that removed.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - Dma54rhs 4y ago
      Why misinformation? Many European countries health experts agree with this statement and that is also the truth in these countries.
vintermann 4y ago
One problem with it, which I think is underestimated, is that the censors are affected by their own propaganda. When they decide, say, to throttle Russian government media, they themselves get less exposure to it (directly and indirectly). In the next step, when they ban Russian government media entirely, they've seen less of evidence which might suggest banning it was a bad idea. We have seen where that path leads. Russia itself ran a VERY effective system of suppressing "misinformation" and "foreign propaganda" themselves, for the better part of a century. They suppressed all doubt in their system, but as a side effect they suppressed all actual faith in it as well. By the end, the entire system ran on the fumes of their grandparents' beliefs. And now it's a mafia state, shocking in its nihilism. That's where the US is headed too, if it deals with its doubts in the same way.
- treeman79 4y ago
  Communism is a goal for many people on the left. All those calls for eliminating capitalism. Basic income. State is charge of your child. (Removing parents rights) Suppressing ideas of freedom and self reliance are key to achieving this.
  - vintermann 4y ago
    The kind of "communism" where everyone parrots Marx and Lenin and doesn't believe a word of it, is not the goal of anyone. Censorship is just as popular on the right.
  - UncleMeat 4y ago
    Socialist here. Nice to meet you. I have no idea how anticapitalism is related to putting the state in charge of your child.
commandlinefan 4y ago
> look at some of the topics that were flagged Are there even any examples of topics that were "correctly/should have been" flagged?

themitigating 4y ago

Can you show examples of the content that was flagged as misinformation? Did the post only contain a link to the study and/or snippets? Did the person mispresent the results to push a different opinion? I'm not saying that happened but I'd like to see a post that was flagged. EDIT: I also see you posted a link to the study not any censored comment? Why?

roody15 4y ago
Try posting this link on Facebook or twitter and add a caption like "Not so sure children need to vaccinated for Covid" For fun I will post this on Reddit on /r/news or /r/health. Will see what happens.
- themitigating 4y ago
  That's misinformation, it's an opinion based on nothing
  - roody15 4y ago
    It is an opinion but it is not based on nothing. For example Norway has determined that they do not believe children ages 0-11 should be vaccinated against covid. Sharing an opinion supported by some evidence (even if many may disagree) is not misinformation.
    - themitigating 4y ago
      Where's the evidence in that hypothetical post and it's not true in all situations. The hypothetical doesn't specify details.
      - roody15 4y ago
        Example post or tweet would be something like: “ Not so sure children need to vaccinated for Covid (https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/vaccination-of-children-and-adolescents-against-covid-19/id2895513/ https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/vaccination-of-childre...) “ Comment with supporting government documentation.
        someNameIG 4y ago
        As someone who's engaged in vaccine discussions on Twitter, I've never seen a comment like that removed.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - Dma54rhs 4y ago
    Why misinformation? Many European countries health experts agree with this statement and that is also the truth in these countries.

vintermann 4y ago

One problem with it, which I think is underestimated, is that the censors are affected by their own propaganda. When they decide, say, to throttle Russian government media, they themselves get less exposure to it (directly and indirectly). In the next step, when they ban Russian government media entirely, they've seen less of evidence which might suggest banning it was a bad idea. We have seen where that path leads. Russia itself ran a VERY effective system of suppressing "misinformation" and "foreign propaganda" themselves, for the better part of a century. They suppressed all doubt in their system, but as a side effect they suppressed all actual faith in it as well. By the end, the entire system ran on the fumes of their grandparents' beliefs. And now it's a mafia state, shocking in its nihilism. That's where the US is headed too, if it deals with its doubts in the same way.

treeman79 4y ago
Communism is a goal for many people on the left. All those calls for eliminating capitalism. Basic income. State is charge of your child. (Removing parents rights) Suppressing ideas of freedom and self reliance are key to achieving this.
- vintermann 4y ago
  The kind of "communism" where everyone parrots Marx and Lenin and doesn't believe a word of it, is not the goal of anyone. Censorship is just as popular on the right.
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  Socialist here. Nice to meet you. I have no idea how anticapitalism is related to putting the state in charge of your child.

commandlinefan 4y ago

> look at some of the topics that were flagged Are there even any examples of topics that were "correctly/should have been" flagged?