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> The fact you believe Putin's propaganda suggests you listen too much to Russian state media. Oh please, where? Can't access it in the "freedom of speech" bas

> The fact you believe Putin's propaganda suggests you listen too much to Russian state media. Oh please, where? Can't access it in the "freedom of speech" bastion that is Europe! Do you have some link? I only get NATO propaganda, and tons of it, on every media. I have no intention of being dragged by propagandists like you into a old trite and pointless discussion. Also, and it's clearly shows you're a propagandist (conscious of it or not), the discussion wasn't about who started the war, but about the efficiency of autocracies. Put any European country in the spot Russia's in, they would collapse in weeks. But no, you had to hijack it and shift the topic on Ukraine. Enough of it, nobody really cares, same way as nobody cares about Yemen or Syria. It's all a big circus and people like you willingly joined to take the part of the clowns.

Tainnor 4y ago
You say you don't care about the Ukraine war topic, but you keep fueling it nonetheless. I agree it's beside the point. The point is that - except possibly China and a select few others (Singapore, UAE, etc.) - most autocratic countries are not doing well (almost all countries ranked high on the HDI are democracies for example). You blaming the West for it (regardless of whether that's justified or not), doesn't change that empirical fact.
mcv 4y ago
> Put any European country in the spot Russia's in, they would collapse in weeks. No European country would ever be in the spot Russia's in, because they wouldn't start such a pointless war of conquest for some autocrat's pride. They used to back in the 19th century, because that's when many of them were still autocracies. Russia is the only remaining colonial power in Europe, and one of the few remaining dictatorships, and its performance is not exactly a compelling argument. Russia is the problem. Autocracies are not efficient. They are unbelievably wasteful on several levels. Not only are the Russian government and military inefficient, their goals are also wasteful: we're seeing entire countries destroyed, thousands of people killed, billions wasted on weapons, billions more in houses and infrastructure destroyed, because of one autocrat.

Tainnor 4y ago

You say you don't care about the Ukraine war topic, but you keep fueling it nonetheless. I agree it's beside the point. The point is that - except possibly China and a select few others (Singapore, UAE, etc.) - most autocratic countries are not doing well (almost all countries ranked high on the HDI are democracies for example). You blaming the West for it (regardless of whether that's justified or not), doesn't change that empirical fact.

mcv 4y ago

> Put any European country in the spot Russia's in, they would collapse in weeks. No European country would ever be in the spot Russia's in, because they wouldn't start such a pointless war of conquest for some autocrat's pride. They used to back in the 19th century, because that's when many of them were still autocracies. Russia is the only remaining colonial power in Europe, and one of the few remaining dictatorships, and its performance is not exactly a compelling argument. Russia is the problem. Autocracies are not efficient. They are unbelievably wasteful on several levels. Not only are the Russian government and military inefficient, their goals are also wasteful: we're seeing entire countries destroyed, thousands of people killed, billions wasted on weapons, billions more in houses and infrastructure destroyed, because of one autocrat.