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Over here there's a ranking system (Crit'Air) for vehicles on the road, largely based off of the EURO-{x} norm. For cars: - 0: EV or hydrogen (a.k.a Zero Emiss

by lloeki 4y ago

Over here there's a ranking system (Crit'Air) for vehicles on the road, largely based off of the EURO-{x} norm. For cars: - 0: EV or hydrogen (a.k.a Zero Emission Vehicle) - 1: plug-in hybrid, LP gaz, EURO-5 or EURO-6 petrol (2011 onwards) - 2: EURO-4 petrol or hybrid (2006-2010), EURO-5 or EURO-6 diesel (2011 onwards) - 3: EURO-2 or EURO-3 petrol or hybrid (1997-2005), EURO-4 diesel (2006-2010) - 4: EURO-3 diesel (2001-2005) - 5: EURO-2 diesel (1997-2004) - unranked: anything older There are two cases where it can apply, on specific geographic Low Emission Zones: - 24/7/365 rules - air quality degradation peaks with more stringent rules for the duration of the event (depends on event magnitude, usually it's capoed at 2) My local LEZ has the following timetable: - 2020: unranked soft-forbidden (warned, not enforced) - 2022: unranked forbidden (enforced), 5 soft forbidden - 2023: 5 forbidden, 4 soft forbidden - 2024: 4+ forbidden, 3 soft forbidden - 2025: 3+ forbidden, 2 soft forbidden - 2028: 2+ forbidden Which leaves us on the road (not sales!) with a soft ban on diesel in 2024, enforced in 2025, and modern petrol+ZEVs in 2028, with full ZEV looming over for 2030. This in turn has effects on sales way before each ban because no one in their right mind would buy a car (new or second hand) that can't be used a couple of years down the road (nor resold, because no one would buy it) I mean, if one buys a diesel today it's going to be soft banned in a little over a year and fined to death (through automated license plate reading) in two years, so essentially some indirect sale ban is already in effect. Apply that reasoning in the 2025-2028 period and it would probably not be a good idea to buy a petrol car either, leaving only ZEVs (i.e EVs since there's no hydrogen powered car on the market yet) Also note that this is not about residency, merely passing through the LEZ makes one eligible for a fine, so this has rippling effects outside the LEZ.

Reason077 4y ago
Sounds like a good policy. The ULEZ in London (soft ban on pre-EURO 6 diesels) introduced in 2019 has already made a noticeable difference to air quality.
- lloeki 4y ago
  Yeah, it makes sense, the area is very sensitive to air pollution buildups. Combined with some other changes on peak events it already went from absolutely terrible (like, actual smog) to somewhat poor. That said, the EV infrastructure is heavily underdeveloped, and I have a hard time seeing that change enough in the next 5 years. I mean, it's possible but to scale in time with demand it needs to start happening now... which it doesn't. I mean the proper use of EV is to charge at rest (e.g parking lots), not at gas^Wpower stations. So in the next years there's going to be tension between getting a throwaway hybrid/petrol car or go EV but suffer from contention on charging spots. Now, personally I'm a bit annoyed because my corner case of a car is peculiar: we own two, one rank 1 low emission daily driver and one seldom driven EURO-4 petrol sports car (so, rank 2) that'll be banned in 2028 but wanted to keep as a collector, which happens at 30y, and it'll be "only" 20 by then. To boot there's no exception (yet?) for such (or any actually) collector vehicles, which means they're being made illegal, and should theoretically go to the grinder, or forever be relegated to barns or museums, which is a real shame.

by lloeki 4y ago

Reason077 4y ago

Sounds like a good policy. The ULEZ in London (soft ban on pre-EURO 6 diesels) introduced in 2019 has already made a noticeable difference to air quality.

lloeki 4y ago
Yeah, it makes sense, the area is very sensitive to air pollution buildups. Combined with some other changes on peak events it already went from absolutely terrible (like, actual smog) to somewhat poor. That said, the EV infrastructure is heavily underdeveloped, and I have a hard time seeing that change enough in the next 5 years. I mean, it's possible but to scale in time with demand it needs to start happening now... which it doesn't. I mean the proper use of EV is to charge at rest (e.g parking lots), not at gas^Wpower stations. So in the next years there's going to be tension between getting a throwaway hybrid/petrol car or go EV but suffer from contention on charging spots. Now, personally I'm a bit annoyed because my corner case of a car is peculiar: we own two, one rank 1 low emission daily driver and one seldom driven EURO-4 petrol sports car (so, rank 2) that'll be banned in 2028 but wanted to keep as a collector, which happens at 30y, and it'll be "only" 20 by then. To boot there's no exception (yet?) for such (or any actually) collector vehicles, which means they're being made illegal, and should theoretically go to the grinder, or forever be relegated to barns or museums, which is a real shame.