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What? Mozilla is building the best open-source browser on the planet. Sure they sometimes make mistakes (who doesn't? and who can please all users?), but a "war

by yoavm 4y ago

What? Mozilla is building the best open-source browser on the planet. Sure they sometimes make mistakes (who doesn't? and who can please all users?), but a "war against Firefox users"?!

TeMPOraL 4y ago
A "war against Firefox users" is maybe a bit much, though MV3 is definitely a slap in the face, and is a battle in the ongoing war on general-purpose computing[0]. But then, "they sometimes make mistakes" isn't also an accurate description of the mess Mozilla is these days. In the last years, they've been routinely wasting money and alienating the userbase by doing lots of weird side projects nobody asked for, instead of focusing on improving the software people actually use. ---- [0] - https://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html https://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html
- yoavm 4y ago
  Well, as a Firefox user, I would say that Firefox has become way better over the last few years. It's super fast. It actually blocks ads. It syncs beautifully with Firefox on Android. Some side projects felt useless. Some feel quite relevant to the goal (e.g. Mozilla VPN), some grew to become huge (Rust). Some were maybe an amazing idea at the wrong time (Firefox OS?). I wouldn't want Mozilla to stop doing any side projects. What's so bad about MV3? Would love to hear your take. Mozilla made it clear it will not adopt changes that prevent extensions like uBlock Origin from working. Many other changes seem to be focused at user security (which is good), and other seem to just follow the "standard", which one can argue is quite important from the perspective of users too, because the fact that extensions can be easily built for Chrome and Firefox together is effectively _the reason_ some of the extensions I use are even available on Firefox.
  - TeMPOraL 4y ago
    > What's so bad about MV3? Would love to hear your take. It's a trust issue. Mozilla burned a lot of it in recent years. > Mozilla made it clear it will not adopt changes that prevent extensions like uBlock Origin from working. That's the thing: I don't trust they'll keep good on that promise for more than a year or two. I may be misremembering things, but I'm pretty sure they initially weren't going to adopt MV3 at all, then they weren't going to add DNR, now they're adding DNR but "not removing request blocking, pinky swear". Once DNR lands, I worry they'll start thinking about removing request blocking, under the guise of "security".
    - yoavm 4y ago
      I guess you can't argue with someone who ignores everything good Mozilla is doing and everything good they promise to keep doing because they don't "trust" them. Meanwhile I've updated my FF Dev Edition to the new beta version and I'm very happy with the work being done.

by yoavm 4y ago

What? Mozilla is building the best open-source browser on the planet. Sure they sometimes make mistakes (who doesn't? and who can please all users?), but a "war against Firefox users"?!

TeMPOraL 4y ago

A "war against Firefox users" is maybe a bit much, though MV3 is definitely a slap in the face, and is a battle in the ongoing war on general-purpose computing[0]. But then, "they sometimes make mistakes" isn't also an accurate description of the mess Mozilla is these days. In the last years, they've been routinely wasting money and alienating the userbase by doing lots of weird side projects nobody asked for, instead of focusing on improving the software people actually use. ---- [0] - https://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html https://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html

yoavm 4y ago
Well, as a Firefox user, I would say that Firefox has become way better over the last few years. It's super fast. It actually blocks ads. It syncs beautifully with Firefox on Android. Some side projects felt useless. Some feel quite relevant to the goal (e.g. Mozilla VPN), some grew to become huge (Rust). Some were maybe an amazing idea at the wrong time (Firefox OS?). I wouldn't want Mozilla to stop doing any side projects. What's so bad about MV3? Would love to hear your take. Mozilla made it clear it will not adopt changes that prevent extensions like uBlock Origin from working. Many other changes seem to be focused at user security (which is good), and other seem to just follow the "standard", which one can argue is quite important from the perspective of users too, because the fact that extensions can be easily built for Chrome and Firefox together is effectively _the reason_ some of the extensions I use are even available on Firefox.
- TeMPOraL 4y ago
  > What's so bad about MV3? Would love to hear your take. It's a trust issue. Mozilla burned a lot of it in recent years. > Mozilla made it clear it will not adopt changes that prevent extensions like uBlock Origin from working. That's the thing: I don't trust they'll keep good on that promise for more than a year or two. I may be misremembering things, but I'm pretty sure they initially weren't going to adopt MV3 at all, then they weren't going to add DNR, now they're adding DNR but "not removing request blocking, pinky swear". Once DNR lands, I worry they'll start thinking about removing request blocking, under the guise of "security".
  - yoavm 4y ago
    I guess you can't argue with someone who ignores everything good Mozilla is doing and everything good they promise to keep doing because they don't "trust" them. Meanwhile I've updated my FF Dev Edition to the new beta version and I'm very happy with the work being done.