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The article depicts a charger for street parking, and this is the first time I’ve seen one. That’s a good step, now you need to install millions of those everyw

The article depicts a charger for street parking, and this is the first time I’ve seen one. That’s a good step, now you need to install millions of those everywhere before you can expect the cars to be bought.

mritzmann 4y ago
I'm not sure I'm a fan of that. I would like to see more cars parked in garages or underground garages and not "polluting" the streetscape. Before we had so many cars, the streets were so much emptier and nicer. Here in the neighbourhoods the cars cover the pavements and in other places the shop windows. A large part of the quality of life in cities is lost due to parked cars.
- alias_neo 4y ago
  I think this and multi-story car parks are going to be the best solution; what's worse than streets lined with cars parked everywhere? Streets lined with parked cars with wires snaking to and from them. The place I just moved to is already pedestrian-hostile, who needs it getting worse because we shoehorned electricity into our transport? Don't get my wrong, I'm a big nerd, I want an electric car, but the way we're doing it doesn't seem right.
alias_neo 4y ago
I've seen a bunch of them around the UK (Side note: should the title be "EU", presumably it doesn't include the UK, which IS in Europe); I do wonder how we're ever going to get enough charging points to make all-electric a reality; From houses with no parking, to flats with no parking, car parks with no space to put the electric charge point, all this before we get to the problem that battery tech is a huge money sink. I really want an electric vehicle, it ticks lots of boxes for me, but unlike an ICE vehicle that I can top up in seconds, and which are usually engineered with a decent amount of longevity, the battery in an electric vehicle is likely to be next to useless within 5 or so years of buying it; even if it's good enough for me, who would want to buy it when the advertised second-hand range is down to 50 miles per charge? They seems like an utterly terrible investment to me, and at £50k+ (luxury car price bracket according to UK gov), it is an investment to me if I'm spending that much.
- izacus 4y ago
  Well, this is why these mandates are made 13 years ahead of time - so infrastructure issues can be addressed and charging points built. People didn't just throw up hands and sit in a corner when petrol stations weren't every 15km of their road and when there was no electric rail anywhere.
  - alias_neo 4y ago
    I don't disagree with you, but I also don't see the UK (England in my case) getting much of anything done in _only_ 13 years. I hope I'm wrong, and when we're all forced to have electric vehicles, that we'll be able to charge them, without having to sit at a service station for an hour while it charges. The only reasonable way I see, without affecting productivity of the nation as a whole, is to charge while we sleep, as we do with our phones usually. When I pull in to Shell now to stick Diesel in my car, I see someone sat in their EV playing on their phone while they wait for their vehicle to charge; presumably for an hour plus? this isn't what I want for our futures.
  - erik_seaberg 4y ago
    I hope it happens, but the article isn’t reporting any mandate to have more public chargers built.
- Reason077 4y ago
  The UK already has a ban on new petrol & diesel car sales from 2030, so is a few years ahead of the EU. However, under the current rules, plug-in hybrids will still be permitted.
  - alias_neo 4y ago
    I'm aware of the rule here (I'm in England); everyone I know has simply said they'll buy a new ICE car near the deadline to gain some extra longevity. I want to go all-electric, but I cant get on board with the glaring issues that are battery-tech and all-touch interior-controls; Gone are the days where you can buy a car and it'll last 20+ years with maintenance, you buy an electric, at a premium, get a crap interior and a battery that won't hold charge within 5 years, so you can't drive it, and you can't sell it.
DocTomoe 4y ago
The agenda is not to make more people drive more eco-friendly, but make less people drive at all (and use either public transport where available, but only when absolutely necessary - or preferably stay at home). Providing access to charging infrastructure is diametral to that goal. It's also why this scheme will fail and the next conservative wave will overturn this ruling.
- Toutouxc 4y ago
  > use either public transport where available Yes, that's true and openly communicated. > or preferably stay at home Where did you get that?
  - DocTomoe 4y ago
    > Where did you get that? All autocratic regimes - and make no mistake: ecologist politicians ultimately must be, for the common citizenry will always work towards their own goals, which are incompatible with ecological goals - want to limit mobility and thus the right of assembly for their subjects. Subjects with limited mobility can't cause trouble. Ecologist politicians will sell it to the general public as not travelling being eco-friendly, and thus mandatory. See: GDR's de-facto crippling of individual car ownership, Chinese Hukou system, the Soviet Passport Statute.
Tijdreiziger 4y ago
This is the first time you've seen one? They seem pretty ubiquitous, at least here in the Netherlands. I know of three or four in my neighborhood alone, and I don't even drive.
- erik_seaberg 4y ago
  In Silicon Valley, the Fremont city hall has two spaces, a nearby strip mall has two, a Union City grocery store(?) actually has a dozen Tesla supercharger spaces. But if you want to park in your neighborhood and charge overnight there’s nowhere to do that, unless you own a garage.
mstade 4y ago
They're being installed a little bit everywhere here in Stockholm, Sweden – I used one just yesterday. Half the time they don't work, mostly it seems because the credit card reader doesn't seem to work or the pole isn't able to process payment for some other reason. The kicker is that you still have to pay for parking, and should the pole not be working you can't use the spot anyway lest you get fined for parking and not charging. In a city where parking spots are generally few and far between this is supremely annoying. Another thing that's supremely annoying is that cars have their charge inlets placed in different spots, meaning people will park in whatever way is convenient for them to charge, no matter if that now means two other spots are blocked. Tesla owners seem to be the worst offenders in this regard, in my experience, presumably because their charging ports being placed in the back right (like on an ICE car) just makes it really awkward to use these poles that generally seem placed to optimize for plugging in to the front of the car. Teething issues aside, I'm glad to see these things popping up.

mritzmann 4y ago

I'm not sure I'm a fan of that. I would like to see more cars parked in garages or underground garages and not "polluting" the streetscape. Before we had so many cars, the streets were so much emptier and nicer. Here in the neighbourhoods the cars cover the pavements and in other places the shop windows. A large part of the quality of life in cities is lost due to parked cars.

alias_neo 4y ago
I think this and multi-story car parks are going to be the best solution; what's worse than streets lined with cars parked everywhere? Streets lined with parked cars with wires snaking to and from them. The place I just moved to is already pedestrian-hostile, who needs it getting worse because we shoehorned electricity into our transport? Don't get my wrong, I'm a big nerd, I want an electric car, but the way we're doing it doesn't seem right.

alias_neo 4y ago

I've seen a bunch of them around the UK (Side note: should the title be "EU", presumably it doesn't include the UK, which IS in Europe); I do wonder how we're ever going to get enough charging points to make all-electric a reality; From houses with no parking, to flats with no parking, car parks with no space to put the electric charge point, all this before we get to the problem that battery tech is a huge money sink. I really want an electric vehicle, it ticks lots of boxes for me, but unlike an ICE vehicle that I can top up in seconds, and which are usually engineered with a decent amount of longevity, the battery in an electric vehicle is likely to be next to useless within 5 or so years of buying it; even if it's good enough for me, who would want to buy it when the advertised second-hand range is down to 50 miles per charge? They seems like an utterly terrible investment to me, and at £50k+ (luxury car price bracket according to UK gov), it is an investment to me if I'm spending that much.

izacus 4y ago
Well, this is why these mandates are made 13 years ahead of time - so infrastructure issues can be addressed and charging points built. People didn't just throw up hands and sit in a corner when petrol stations weren't every 15km of their road and when there was no electric rail anywhere.
- alias_neo 4y ago
  I don't disagree with you, but I also don't see the UK (England in my case) getting much of anything done in _only_ 13 years. I hope I'm wrong, and when we're all forced to have electric vehicles, that we'll be able to charge them, without having to sit at a service station for an hour while it charges. The only reasonable way I see, without affecting productivity of the nation as a whole, is to charge while we sleep, as we do with our phones usually. When I pull in to Shell now to stick Diesel in my car, I see someone sat in their EV playing on their phone while they wait for their vehicle to charge; presumably for an hour plus? this isn't what I want for our futures.
- erik_seaberg 4y ago
  I hope it happens, but the article isn’t reporting any mandate to have more public chargers built.
Reason077 4y ago
The UK already has a ban on new petrol & diesel car sales from 2030, so is a few years ahead of the EU. However, under the current rules, plug-in hybrids will still be permitted.
- alias_neo 4y ago
  I'm aware of the rule here (I'm in England); everyone I know has simply said they'll buy a new ICE car near the deadline to gain some extra longevity. I want to go all-electric, but I cant get on board with the glaring issues that are battery-tech and all-touch interior-controls; Gone are the days where you can buy a car and it'll last 20+ years with maintenance, you buy an electric, at a premium, get a crap interior and a battery that won't hold charge within 5 years, so you can't drive it, and you can't sell it.

DocTomoe 4y ago

The agenda is not to make more people drive more eco-friendly, but make less people drive at all (and use either public transport where available, but only when absolutely necessary - or preferably stay at home). Providing access to charging infrastructure is diametral to that goal. It's also why this scheme will fail and the next conservative wave will overturn this ruling.

Toutouxc 4y ago
> use either public transport where available Yes, that's true and openly communicated. > or preferably stay at home Where did you get that?
- DocTomoe 4y ago
  > Where did you get that? All autocratic regimes - and make no mistake: ecologist politicians ultimately must be, for the common citizenry will always work towards their own goals, which are incompatible with ecological goals - want to limit mobility and thus the right of assembly for their subjects. Subjects with limited mobility can't cause trouble. Ecologist politicians will sell it to the general public as not travelling being eco-friendly, and thus mandatory. See: GDR's de-facto crippling of individual car ownership, Chinese Hukou system, the Soviet Passport Statute.

Tijdreiziger 4y ago

This is the first time you've seen one? They seem pretty ubiquitous, at least here in the Netherlands. I know of three or four in my neighborhood alone, and I don't even drive.

erik_seaberg 4y ago
In Silicon Valley, the Fremont city hall has two spaces, a nearby strip mall has two, a Union City grocery store(?) actually has a dozen Tesla supercharger spaces. But if you want to park in your neighborhood and charge overnight there’s nowhere to do that, unless you own a garage.

mstade 4y ago

They're being installed a little bit everywhere here in Stockholm, Sweden – I used one just yesterday. Half the time they don't work, mostly it seems because the credit card reader doesn't seem to work or the pole isn't able to process payment for some other reason. The kicker is that you still have to pay for parking, and should the pole not be working you can't use the spot anyway lest you get fined for parking and not charging. In a city where parking spots are generally few and far between this is supremely annoying. Another thing that's supremely annoying is that cars have their charge inlets placed in different spots, meaning people will park in whatever way is convenient for them to charge, no matter if that now means two other spots are blocked. Tesla owners seem to be the worst offenders in this regard, in my experience, presumably because their charging ports being placed in the back right (like on an ICE car) just makes it really awkward to use these poles that generally seem placed to optimize for plugging in to the front of the car. Teething issues aside, I'm glad to see these things popping up.