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"The market has decided it wants EVs!" "Legacy auto will be caught short by the EV revolution!" B*llox. EVs will be mandated, we will like them, and some will

"The market has decided it wants EVs!" "Legacy auto will be caught short by the EV revolution!" B*llox. EVs will be mandated, we will like them, and some will profit hugely.

alias_neo 4y ago
I have to agree; as a complete nerd, that would _love_ an electric vehicle for all of the good things about them, battery tech and all-touch interiors will keep putting me off getting one, probably until I'm forced to.
- actionfromafar 4y ago
  I think there will be simpler offers once cheaper models are also EVs. https://www.renaultgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/dacia-spring-6-1024x682.jpg https://www.renaultgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/daci...
  - alias_neo 4y ago
    Nice, the pictured vehicle looks nothing like an EV interior, which is great! I suppose the part I'm missing is that for now, all of the EVs we see are trying to be futuristic, once it's the norm, we should see more "normal" vehicles. Don't get me wrong, I'm not some old-git who's anti-change, I'm a millenial, and a tech-nerd, but I also like to keep my eyes on the road when I'm driving.
- kkfx 4y ago
  As a driver I love much more: - traffic jam ADAS where with a command my car follow the car in front of it or run at a steady speed alone without me keep driving; - auto-hold that allow to simply ignore current road steepness Instead as an IT guy I HATE the pile of crapware outside my control that "my" connected cars have. And that's a far bigger issue than a crappy or not UI and big or not touch panel aside...
helsinkiandrew 4y ago
Depending on the survey and the country (and they vary a lot) about 20-40% want to buy an electric car now (more so if you include hybrid) and the percent who are dead set against them at any cost is dropping. Those trends are growing at faster rates, before they are mandated EVs will be the main preference by ~80% of the public. https://assets.ey.com/content/dam/ey-sites/ey-com/cs_cz/topics/automotive-and-transportation/ey-mobility-consumer-index-2022-summary.pdf https://assets.ey.com/content/dam/ey-sites/ey-com/cs_cz/topi... https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/energy-green/story/2022-07-07/electric-cars-growing-number-of-consumers-now-interested-in-buying-them-survey-says https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/energy-green/s...
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  Of course people want them when they end up cheaper in the long run. Many governments are subsidizing EVs while taxing non-EVs.
  - TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
    It is bait and switch. There is no 50% consumption tax on electricity where there is one on petrol. And you can already have BEVs more expensive than gas if you charge on fast DC chargers. So it is just matter of time before government will want those money.
    - eis 4y ago
      In Germany charges, taxes etc on electricity are more than 50% already.
      - jryhjythtr 4y ago
        It can't be long before people realise that EVs will be more expensive to both purchase, and to fill with "fuel". As such, EVs are very successful. They part people with large sums of money to keep economies moving, and limit how far they can travel, reducing CO2 emissions in the process. In a way, they are like Rai Stones - expensive, immobile tokens of wealth.
Someone 4y ago
So? That’s not different from decades of regulations in the car industry. You can’t sell a new car without safety belts, ABS, reversing camera, distraction detector, etc. And (nitpick) this doesn’t require all cars sold to be electric. They have to be emission free.
- hulitu 4y ago
  > They have to be emission free. This hasn't been a big problem. Even German diesel train are going with green current. /s
- TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
  So no brakes and tires either? Wow, cars should start levitate cyberpunk style.
- jryhjythtr 4y ago
  >So? Regulations mandate features that would otherwise not necessarily be desirable, or purely economical. Let's not pretend otherwise, including EVs.
  - Someone 4y ago
    That’s only true if you believe the free market always behaves to optimize for the good of society. In my opinion, it works horribly bad for long-term effects, so we need government regulation to prevent/soften the effects of the tragedy of the commons.
    - jryhjythtr 4y ago
      You repeat my point. It has been decided that EVs are good for society, and they are being mandated. Thus their widespread adoption will not be because "customers want them".

"The market has decided it wants EVs!" "Legacy auto will be caught short by the EV revolution!" B*llox. EVs will be mandated, we will like them, and some will profit hugely.

alias_neo 4y ago

I have to agree; as a complete nerd, that would _love_ an electric vehicle for all of the good things about them, battery tech and all-touch interiors will keep putting me off getting one, probably until I'm forced to.

actionfromafar 4y ago
I think there will be simpler offers once cheaper models are also EVs. https://www.renaultgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/dacia-spring-6-1024x682.jpg https://www.renaultgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/daci...
- alias_neo 4y ago
  Nice, the pictured vehicle looks nothing like an EV interior, which is great! I suppose the part I'm missing is that for now, all of the EVs we see are trying to be futuristic, once it's the norm, we should see more "normal" vehicles. Don't get me wrong, I'm not some old-git who's anti-change, I'm a millenial, and a tech-nerd, but I also like to keep my eyes on the road when I'm driving.
kkfx 4y ago
As a driver I love much more: - traffic jam ADAS where with a command my car follow the car in front of it or run at a steady speed alone without me keep driving; - auto-hold that allow to simply ignore current road steepness Instead as an IT guy I HATE the pile of crapware outside my control that "my" connected cars have. And that's a far bigger issue than a crappy or not UI and big or not touch panel aside...

helsinkiandrew 4y ago

Depending on the survey and the country (and they vary a lot) about 20-40% want to buy an electric car now (more so if you include hybrid) and the percent who are dead set against them at any cost is dropping. Those trends are growing at faster rates, before they are mandated EVs will be the main preference by ~80% of the public. https://assets.ey.com/content/dam/ey-sites/ey-com/cs_cz/topics/automotive-and-transportation/ey-mobility-consumer-index-2022-summary.pdf https://assets.ey.com/content/dam/ey-sites/ey-com/cs_cz/topi... https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/energy-green/story/2022-07-07/electric-cars-growing-number-of-consumers-now-interested-in-buying-them-survey-says https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/energy-green/s...

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
Of course people want them when they end up cheaper in the long run. Many governments are subsidizing EVs while taxing non-EVs.
- TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
  It is bait and switch. There is no 50% consumption tax on electricity where there is one on petrol. And you can already have BEVs more expensive than gas if you charge on fast DC chargers. So it is just matter of time before government will want those money.
  - eis 4y ago
    In Germany charges, taxes etc on electricity are more than 50% already.
    - jryhjythtr 4y ago
      It can't be long before people realise that EVs will be more expensive to both purchase, and to fill with "fuel". As such, EVs are very successful. They part people with large sums of money to keep economies moving, and limit how far they can travel, reducing CO2 emissions in the process. In a way, they are like Rai Stones - expensive, immobile tokens of wealth.

Someone 4y ago

So? That’s not different from decades of regulations in the car industry. You can’t sell a new car without safety belts, ABS, reversing camera, distraction detector, etc. And (nitpick) this doesn’t require all cars sold to be electric. They have to be emission free.

hulitu 4y ago
> They have to be emission free. This hasn't been a big problem. Even German diesel train are going with green current. /s
TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
So no brakes and tires either? Wow, cars should start levitate cyberpunk style.
jryhjythtr 4y ago
>So? Regulations mandate features that would otherwise not necessarily be desirable, or purely economical. Let's not pretend otherwise, including EVs.
- Someone 4y ago
  That’s only true if you believe the free market always behaves to optimize for the good of society. In my opinion, it works horribly bad for long-term effects, so we need government regulation to prevent/soften the effects of the tragedy of the commons.
  - jryhjythtr 4y ago
    You repeat my point. It has been decided that EVs are good for society, and they are being mandated. Thus their widespread adoption will not be because "customers want them".