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Those topics aren't on the minds of conservatives lately, and if you think they are, you're either out of touch or making your point in bad faith. Since those i

Those topics aren't on the minds of conservatives lately, and if you think they are, you're either out of touch or making your point in bad faith. Since those ideas don't carry weight at the moment, they aren't a liability and therefore there's no reason to censor at this time. You mentioned in another comment that the "censorship myth" is "easily disproved". You might want to re-think your logic, or stop spreading such BS, even if it sounded clever to you.

pron 4y ago
I think you're wrong (e.g. The Federalist, Claremont, and Quillette are pretty much the zeitgeist of the more-extreme-than-mainstream right these days; Claremont pretty much is the pro-Trump/pro-fascist/anti-democratic section of conservative writers), but regardless, could you name a conservative opinion/idea/belief that Twitter does not widely disseminate?
- celdon25 4y ago
  > could you name a conservative opinion/idea/belief that Twitter does not widely disseminate? I do not necessarily endorse or agree with the viewpoints of those who were banned. But some confirmed examples include: QAnon, vaccines, Hunter Biden laptop, use of gender pronouns. Anything Pro-Putin (there's growing support of Putin among conservatives, but I'm not one of them). Claiming that the 2020 election was stolen (where was Twitter in 2016?). Being a member of Proud Boys. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_suspensions#2022 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_suspensions#2022 Also, accounts like @JamesOKeefeIII banned arbitrarily in retaliation. https://www.thedailybeast.com/project-veritas-founder-james-okeefe-permanently-booted-from-twitter https://www.thedailybeast.com/project-veritas-founder-james-... Meanwhile: https://rdi.org/twitters-dictator-problem/ https://rdi.org/twitters-dictator-problem/ - Same thing happened in India FYI. You should learn to understand that iron and velvet are two sides of the same coin.
  - pron 4y ago
    That some accounts were suspended under specific circumstances does not mean that conservative content is suppressed. Potential bias in moderation policies of specific behaviours/events and the matter of suppressing ideas are two separate issues (although the moderation of the Hunter Biden story, as I mentioned earlier, was probably a mistake). Twitter is flooded with pro-Putin, anti-vaxx, stolen election, and "only two genders" content. The claim that these ideas are suppressed is so easily debunked (with a quick search) as thoroughly false, that I doubt that those making that claim actually believe it. I don't know if Twitter punishes conservative Twitterers more harshly under similar circumstances, but it is simply and verifiably untrue that conservative content, of any flavour and level of extremism, is not widely disseminated by Twitter. I know that suppression has been a fundamental narrative for the right for some generations now, but like its other incarnations -- "the war on Christmas" and "cancel culture" -- it is just not real.
    - celdon25 4y ago
      > That some accounts were suspended under specific circumstances does not mean that conservative content is suppressed. I never said anything about "Conservative content is being suppressed", which is in and of itself an incredibly vague and arbitrarily defined assertion. The commenter you replied to was the one who said it. Hopefully my points are clearer than that, but there is some overlap. > Potential bias in moderation policies of specific behaviours/events and the matter of suppressing ideas are two separate issues A suspended account suppresses content in at least four ways: 1) The specific tweet, and all retweets, are memory-holed. 2) The user is directly prevented from posting additional tweets, different (or equal) in content but always compatible in motive. 3) The suspension serves as a warning to discourage others from doing the same. 4) The suspension is a clear message to discourage others with similar views from investing time and resources to build a following on Twitter. --- > The claim that these ideas are suppressed is so easily debunked (with a quick search) as thoroughly false The fact that you've admitted spending little enough time on research to be able to call it a "quick" search, and triumphantly so, doesn't help your argument. Nobody cares about suppressing last year's news, but what about when it was this year's news? > Vaccines https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/mar/01/twitter-coronavirus-vaccine-misinformation-labels https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/mar/01/twitter-c... > QAnon and Elections https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/01/12/956003580/facebook-removes-stop-the-steal-content-twitter-suspends-qanon-accounts https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/202... And even your own examples: > The Federalist https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/23/twitter-is-censoring-federalist-reporting-as-violent-content/ https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/23/twitter-is-censoring-fe... > Quillette https://archive.ph/CpzM2 https://archive.ph/CpzM2 > Clairemont That's a think tank - Old guys in suits. Deep pockets. They're not grassroots-oriented, and don't need Twitter to reach their intended audience. They have the resources to fight back anyway, so it's not a high-value target. Not to mention they can afford to vet and craft their messages carefully to avoid getting blocked. Self-censorship. --- > I don't know if Twitter punishes conservative Twitterers more harshly under similar circumstances, but it is simply and verifiably untrue that conservative content, of any flavour and level of extremism, is not widely disseminated by Twitter. You can suppress content and still be overwhelmed by its sheer appeal at the end of the day. It happens all the time. Sometimes the other team wins. That's why we're not living under the flavor of totalitarianism that existed in medieval times.

pron 4y ago

I think you're wrong (e.g. The Federalist, Claremont, and Quillette are pretty much the zeitgeist of the more-extreme-than-mainstream right these days; Claremont pretty much is the pro-Trump/pro-fascist/anti-democratic section of conservative writers), but regardless, could you name a conservative opinion/idea/belief that Twitter does not widely disseminate?

celdon25 4y ago
> could you name a conservative opinion/idea/belief that Twitter does not widely disseminate? I do not necessarily endorse or agree with the viewpoints of those who were banned. But some confirmed examples include: QAnon, vaccines, Hunter Biden laptop, use of gender pronouns. Anything Pro-Putin (there's growing support of Putin among conservatives, but I'm not one of them). Claiming that the 2020 election was stolen (where was Twitter in 2016?). Being a member of Proud Boys. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_suspensions#2022 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_suspensions#2022 Also, accounts like @JamesOKeefeIII banned arbitrarily in retaliation. https://www.thedailybeast.com/project-veritas-founder-james-okeefe-permanently-booted-from-twitter https://www.thedailybeast.com/project-veritas-founder-james-... Meanwhile: https://rdi.org/twitters-dictator-problem/ https://rdi.org/twitters-dictator-problem/ - Same thing happened in India FYI. You should learn to understand that iron and velvet are two sides of the same coin.
- pron 4y ago
  That some accounts were suspended under specific circumstances does not mean that conservative content is suppressed. Potential bias in moderation policies of specific behaviours/events and the matter of suppressing ideas are two separate issues (although the moderation of the Hunter Biden story, as I mentioned earlier, was probably a mistake). Twitter is flooded with pro-Putin, anti-vaxx, stolen election, and "only two genders" content. The claim that these ideas are suppressed is so easily debunked (with a quick search) as thoroughly false, that I doubt that those making that claim actually believe it. I don't know if Twitter punishes conservative Twitterers more harshly under similar circumstances, but it is simply and verifiably untrue that conservative content, of any flavour and level of extremism, is not widely disseminated by Twitter. I know that suppression has been a fundamental narrative for the right for some generations now, but like its other incarnations -- "the war on Christmas" and "cancel culture" -- it is just not real.
  - celdon25 4y ago
    > That some accounts were suspended under specific circumstances does not mean that conservative content is suppressed. I never said anything about "Conservative content is being suppressed", which is in and of itself an incredibly vague and arbitrarily defined assertion. The commenter you replied to was the one who said it. Hopefully my points are clearer than that, but there is some overlap. > Potential bias in moderation policies of specific behaviours/events and the matter of suppressing ideas are two separate issues A suspended account suppresses content in at least four ways: 1) The specific tweet, and all retweets, are memory-holed. 2) The user is directly prevented from posting additional tweets, different (or equal) in content but always compatible in motive. 3) The suspension serves as a warning to discourage others from doing the same. 4) The suspension is a clear message to discourage others with similar views from investing time and resources to build a following on Twitter. --- > The claim that these ideas are suppressed is so easily debunked (with a quick search) as thoroughly false The fact that you've admitted spending little enough time on research to be able to call it a "quick" search, and triumphantly so, doesn't help your argument. Nobody cares about suppressing last year's news, but what about when it was this year's news? > Vaccines https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/mar/01/twitter-coronavirus-vaccine-misinformation-labels https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/mar/01/twitter-c... > QAnon and Elections https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/01/12/956003580/facebook-removes-stop-the-steal-content-twitter-suspends-qanon-accounts https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/202... And even your own examples: > The Federalist https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/23/twitter-is-censoring-federalist-reporting-as-violent-content/ https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/23/twitter-is-censoring-fe... > Quillette https://archive.ph/CpzM2 https://archive.ph/CpzM2 > Clairemont That's a think tank - Old guys in suits. Deep pockets. They're not grassroots-oriented, and don't need Twitter to reach their intended audience. They have the resources to fight back anyway, so it's not a high-value target. Not to mention they can afford to vet and craft their messages carefully to avoid getting blocked. Self-censorship. --- > I don't know if Twitter punishes conservative Twitterers more harshly under similar circumstances, but it is simply and verifiably untrue that conservative content, of any flavour and level of extremism, is not widely disseminated by Twitter. You can suppress content and still be overwhelmed by its sheer appeal at the end of the day. It happens all the time. Sometimes the other team wins. That's why we're not living under the flavor of totalitarianism that existed in medieval times.