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> Well I guess that is the heart of our disagreement. The prefix in- means not. Intolerant literally means not tolerant. Not intolerant speech is by definition
by throwawaylinux 4y ago
> Well I guess that is the heart of our disagreement. The prefix in- means not. Intolerant literally means not tolerant. Not intolerant speech is by definition tolerant speech.
That is absolutely not the heart of the disagreement, just a weird definition that you're wrong about. The disagreement is fundamentally about whether tolerance for speech means allowing people you disagree with to speak.
Tolerant means you are tolerant toward others. Speaking is not itself an act of tolerance toward other people. I could make a post about Linux programming on Hacker News, that would not be tolerant toward trans people for example. It wouldn't be intolerant, it's just that it wouldn't be tolerant because I am not "tolerating" anybody when making such a post.
Or let's take another example in the strange gotcha twitter style you seem to be most comfortable communicating with: You posted an earlier comment which was "Yeah, insiders not knowing the full details of Musk's plan because Musk doesn't have a detailed plan yet seems more likely than WaPo just making some stuff up." There was nothing in that comment that showed an intolerance to Nazis attacking Jews, so you are saying you tolerate Nazis attacking Jews when you made that comment, right?
And there is nothing about the in- prefix of the word or anything else about it that means everything must be either tolerant or intolerant, that's ridiculous. Insoluble is the opposite of soluble, meaning it can't be dissolved. Does that mean your comment is insoluble because it is not soluble?
- slg 4y agoTolerant: willing to accept behavior and beliefs that are different from your own, although you might not agree with or approve of them.[1] Intolerant: disapproving of or refusing to accept ideas or ways of behaving that are different from your own.[2] These are the definitions from Cambridge Dictionary and show these words are direct opposites of each other. We can look at it like boolean logic. True == !False !True == False NULL != True NULL != False NULL != !True NULL != !False Tolerant == Not Intolerant Not Tolerant == Intolerant (the literal definition of the word) NULL != Tolerant NULL != Intolerant NULL != Not Tolerant NULL != Not Intolerant The Musk example is not "not tolerant". It is NULL. It is making no comment about Nazism. The Babylon Bee article was not a NULL value because it was directly commenting on the acceptance of trans people. [1] - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/tolerant https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/toler... [2] - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/intolerant https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/intol...
- throwawaylinux 4y agoSo you don't know what tolerant means. A possible alternative position is tolerance for others' words and definitions, and this was the mainstream progressive position up to about 10 years ago. That is not using your creative definition of the word tolerance, but the common one and the one which was used by progressives when they advocated for that position. So there's an answer for your question I originally answered.
- slg 4y agoI cited a dictionary to get that definition. What is your definition of tolerance and where are you getting it from?
- throwawaylinux 4y agoThat's easily explained: citing a dictionary definition doesn't mean you know the meaning or how to apply it in a context. The man of the year award is not intolerant, just like giving a trans woman a woman of the year is not intolerant toward biological women who believe they are not the same gender as a trans woman. Tolerance does not mean forbidding all disagreement and satire. But I am glad you have understood that a comment is not necessarily tolerant or intolerant. That's great progress, it took a while, but I applaud the effort and persistence. Good luck with the rest of the journey.