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I wish Windows ran systemd--seriously. Windows services and low level functionality is just a hot mess of cruft, decade plus old UI and configs, etc. Please jet

I wish Windows ran systemd--seriously. Windows services and low level functionality is just a hot mess of cruft, decade plus old UI and configs, etc. Please jettison it all and give a consistent declarative way to manage it all like systemd does for Linux.

cat_plus_plus 4y ago
Yeah, imagine if Windows was made up of many simple and interchangeable components for which alternatives were easily available from sources other than Microsoft? Don't like services? Choose among half a dozen alternative background process management options, without affecting logging or file system layout, or listening to inbound network connections...
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Yes, because it has been such a success conquering the desktop workloads.
lrvick 4y ago
You can run virtually any Windows application on top of Systemd already via Wine. Unless you have some particular attachment to the NT kernel, there near zero reasons to use Windows today.
- dTal 4y ago
  If only that were true. "Virtually any Windows application" is a fantasy I'm afraid, many important applications run poorly or not at all on Linux. Then there's the "particular attachment to the NT kernel" caused by driver support for $HARDWARE - there's tons of niche hardware that just can't be driven from Linux. If you use a computer for actual industrial work, you will hit one of these problems very quickly.
  - lrvick 4y ago
    Can you give an example? Even modern AAA games run as well, and often better, on Linux these days.
    - dTal 4y ago
      Games are the most reliable category of software, the one WINE targets the hardest. Almost every software I try that isn't a game, fails to work in some way. The worst offenders are "industry standard" software. 3ds Max. Ableton. Photoshop. Altium. MS Office. Visual Studio. Go check WineDB and see how many versions of these are rated "Garbage". I say again - if you attempt to rely on WINE to do real industrial work on Linux using Windows tools, you are virtually guaranteed to hit a showstopper somewhere almost immediately. It's just not viable.
  - squarefoot 4y ago
    > there's tons of niche hardware that just can't be driven from Linux. Linux developers can often do wonders, but they still do not have a crystal ball. If that hardware is niche+closed+expensive I don't see how they can produce working drivers or software. Manufacturers not releasing documentation are the problem, not Linux, or BSD or any other non supported OS.
    - dTal 4y ago
      >If that hardware is niche+closed+expensive I don't see how they can produce working drivers or software. Indeed. They can't. Which is why Linux can't drive that stuff. I fully agree with your assessment of whose fault it is. That wasn't the question.

cat_plus_plus 4y ago

Yeah, imagine if Windows was made up of many simple and interchangeable components for which alternatives were easily available from sources other than Microsoft? Don't like services? Choose among half a dozen alternative background process management options, without affecting logging or file system layout, or listening to inbound network connections...

pjmlp 4y ago
Yes, because it has been such a success conquering the desktop workloads.

lrvick 4y ago

You can run virtually any Windows application on top of Systemd already via Wine. Unless you have some particular attachment to the NT kernel, there near zero reasons to use Windows today.

dTal 4y ago
If only that were true. "Virtually any Windows application" is a fantasy I'm afraid, many important applications run poorly or not at all on Linux. Then there's the "particular attachment to the NT kernel" caused by driver support for $HARDWARE - there's tons of niche hardware that just can't be driven from Linux. If you use a computer for actual industrial work, you will hit one of these problems very quickly.
- lrvick 4y ago
  Can you give an example? Even modern AAA games run as well, and often better, on Linux these days.
  - dTal 4y ago
    Games are the most reliable category of software, the one WINE targets the hardest. Almost every software I try that isn't a game, fails to work in some way. The worst offenders are "industry standard" software. 3ds Max. Ableton. Photoshop. Altium. MS Office. Visual Studio. Go check WineDB and see how many versions of these are rated "Garbage". I say again - if you attempt to rely on WINE to do real industrial work on Linux using Windows tools, you are virtually guaranteed to hit a showstopper somewhere almost immediately. It's just not viable.
- squarefoot 4y ago
  > there's tons of niche hardware that just can't be driven from Linux. Linux developers can often do wonders, but they still do not have a crystal ball. If that hardware is niche+closed+expensive I don't see how they can produce working drivers or software. Manufacturers not releasing documentation are the problem, not Linux, or BSD or any other non supported OS.
  - dTal 4y ago
    >If that hardware is niche+closed+expensive I don't see how they can produce working drivers or software. Indeed. They can't. Which is why Linux can't drive that stuff. I fully agree with your assessment of whose fault it is. That wasn't the question.