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There is not a clear duality of "Israeli spy" vs. "Not an Israeli spy." Mossad in particular is known to maintain a network of sympathizers called Sayanim who w

There is not a clear duality of "Israeli spy" vs. "Not an Israeli spy." Mossad in particular is known to maintain a network of sympathizers called Sayanim who would take action for the Israeli authorities if they were asked to. So it's clearly possible that Amazon and most tech companies can be/ have been compromised. You can argue that Israel is a nation which has processes in place not to use these capabilities in the wrong way. But it's not wise to argue that "There is no Israeli spy network, it's a conspiracy, etc. " That just makes it seem like you have an agenda.

filoleg 4y ago
> You can argue that Israel is a nation which has processes in place not to use these capabilities in the wrong way. But it's not wise to argue that "There is no Israeli spy network, it's a conspiracy, etc. " That just makes it seem like you have an agenda. Absolutely agreed. Pretty much any sufficiently powerful nation (and some that are not) has those spy networks that do all those things (including the US). And regarding those capabilities being used "in the wrong way", same thing. No matter how advanced and good your nation's processes are or how trustworthy that nation is, those processes are not infallible. There will be usages of those capabilities "in the wrong way". I am not disagreeing that those spy networks exist and that they sometimes could be used "in the wrong way". It's just that I dont have any factual evidence that Israel is being some special and unique "shadowy controlling entity" in that aspect, in a way that a lot of other sufficiently powerful nations aren't. The only nation that I would single out in this conversation is China, given how regularly their spies and PLA overseas agents seem to get caught red-handed. But still, I am not sure whether it is simply due to sheer numbers of them or due to their incompetence.

filoleg 4y ago

> You can argue that Israel is a nation which has processes in place not to use these capabilities in the wrong way. But it's not wise to argue that "There is no Israeli spy network, it's a conspiracy, etc. " That just makes it seem like you have an agenda. Absolutely agreed. Pretty much any sufficiently powerful nation (and some that are not) has those spy networks that do all those things (including the US). And regarding those capabilities being used "in the wrong way", same thing. No matter how advanced and good your nation's processes are or how trustworthy that nation is, those processes are not infallible. There will be usages of those capabilities "in the wrong way". I am not disagreeing that those spy networks exist and that they sometimes could be used "in the wrong way". It's just that I dont have any factual evidence that Israel is being some special and unique "shadowy controlling entity" in that aspect, in a way that a lot of other sufficiently powerful nations aren't. The only nation that I would single out in this conversation is China, given how regularly their spies and PLA overseas agents seem to get caught red-handed. But still, I am not sure whether it is simply due to sheer numbers of them or due to their incompetence.