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It's so rare for a superstar not to know their market rate as to be unlikely. What I can see happening is that more corporations start doing SDE 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/

It's so rare for a superstar not to know their market rate as to be unlikely. What I can see happening is that more corporations start doing SDE 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11/12, with different ranges, and most of the interviews are at 7-10 and are "releveled" at 3-5. We will end up in the same place we started but with more games.

jameshart 4y ago
> It's so rare for a superstar not to know their market rate as to be unlikely You're no-true-scotsmanning 'superstar' here to assume, I suspect, that one of the attributes of a superstar is being in the know, and so on top of the industry and job market that they are aware how much their skills are worth. For a certain class of superstar that may be true, but there are many, many very strong developers who are working in backwater job markets and have not looked for jobs in a while who literally have no idea what typical total comp offers from serious tech companies in hot markets are like. There are plenty of high skilled people who have been blown away by an offer they thought was incredibly generous, only to discover they were actually lowballed.
- scarface74 4y ago
  > There are plenty of high skilled people who have been blown away by an offer they thought was incredibly generous, only to discover they were actually lowballed. Been there done that - Not incredibly low balled. But probably 10%. But as you learn the industry, have a network of former coworkers who don’t mind sharing salaries and external recruiters, it gets easier and you just job hop. This is mostly on the enterprise/Corp dev side of development where most developers work. It’s quite easy to find out compensation for the larger more well known tech companies at places like levels.fyi. Before anyone thinks I’m putting down “enterprise developers”, that’s what I did my entire career from 1996-2020. For all intents and purposes, that’s still what I do. I now also write a shit ton of yaml, HCL, PowerPoint slides, and PRFAQs at $BigTech and “consult”.
pixl97 4y ago
>It's so rare for a superstar not to know their market rate as to be unlikely. And you're getting this data from, where exactly?
- scarface74 4y ago
  How can you be a “superstar” who kept up with relevant industry trends and not keep up with compensation trends?

jameshart 4y ago

> It's so rare for a superstar not to know their market rate as to be unlikely You're no-true-scotsmanning 'superstar' here to assume, I suspect, that one of the attributes of a superstar is being in the know, and so on top of the industry and job market that they are aware how much their skills are worth. For a certain class of superstar that may be true, but there are many, many very strong developers who are working in backwater job markets and have not looked for jobs in a while who literally have no idea what typical total comp offers from serious tech companies in hot markets are like. There are plenty of high skilled people who have been blown away by an offer they thought was incredibly generous, only to discover they were actually lowballed.

scarface74 4y ago
> There are plenty of high skilled people who have been blown away by an offer they thought was incredibly generous, only to discover they were actually lowballed. Been there done that - Not incredibly low balled. But probably 10%. But as you learn the industry, have a network of former coworkers who don’t mind sharing salaries and external recruiters, it gets easier and you just job hop. This is mostly on the enterprise/Corp dev side of development where most developers work. It’s quite easy to find out compensation for the larger more well known tech companies at places like levels.fyi. Before anyone thinks I’m putting down “enterprise developers”, that’s what I did my entire career from 1996-2020. For all intents and purposes, that’s still what I do. I now also write a shit ton of yaml, HCL, PowerPoint slides, and PRFAQs at $BigTech and “consult”.

pixl97 4y ago

>It's so rare for a superstar not to know their market rate as to be unlikely. And you're getting this data from, where exactly?

scarface74 4y ago
How can you be a “superstar” who kept up with relevant industry trends and not keep up with compensation trends?