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What you care to provide an example? Are you referring to not being able to mouse over a var during debugging and having it displayed properly? I've never min

What you care to provide an example? Are you referring to not being able to mouse over a var during debugging and having it displayed properly? I've never minded having to use gdb to type out "po items", but can understand that if you're used to mousing over and getting vars it would be annoying. I don't disregard your perspective, mine is just exactly the opposite (I would prefer ObjC/Cocoa to C++/<Framework of your choice>, no contest).

forrestthewoods 15y ago
My perspective is one of a PC/console game background who works on iOS stuff on the side. The transition from VisualStudio/C++ to Xcode/Obj-C is eye stabbingly awful. Obj-C can absolutely accomplish most anything that C++ can, but I don't think the language makes of it easier. Once you've learned that GDB even exists and figured out many of the strange syntax nuances it's passable, but in my opinion not easier. By comparison going from C++ to C#, Lua, or Python (my personal experiences) is astonishingly easy. Not just easy at first but continuously surprising at how many wonderful things you can do and how easy it is. As I said in my root post not once have I ever said "holy shit Obj-C sure made this task easy!"
- alexbell 15y ago
  Fair enough, and I can certainly empathize with wanting to use C++ so you don't have to rewrite everything for another platform. My perspective is going from the C/C++ (on Visual Studio for the most part) I used in school (so none of those nifty libraries/frameworks), to (for the most part) working on a data driven mobile application for iOS/Android. And after working with the Cocoa frameworks, I did say "Holy shit, Cocoa sure made this task easy!" :)
- xsmasher 15y ago
  >Once you've learned that GDB even exists and figured out many of the strange syntax nuances it's passable, but in my opinion not easier. You can mouse over an NSArray or NSDictionary and see its size and contents. You're not as familiar with the tools. I have your same complaint, but about C++. I'm frustrated that I can't easily see the contents of a std:set or std:map in xcode. I'd be thrilled to find out if it's just a gap in my knowledge, though.
  - forrestthewoods 15y ago
    An NSMutableArray full of nothing but NSStrings will not display the string values of those strings on either mouse over or the locals view. I can see the number of strings but not what those strings actually are. :(

forrestthewoods 15y ago

My perspective is one of a PC/console game background who works on iOS stuff on the side. The transition from VisualStudio/C++ to Xcode/Obj-C is eye stabbingly awful. Obj-C can absolutely accomplish most anything that C++ can, but I don't think the language makes of it easier. Once you've learned that GDB even exists and figured out many of the strange syntax nuances it's passable, but in my opinion not easier. By comparison going from C++ to C#, Lua, or Python (my personal experiences) is astonishingly easy. Not just easy at first but continuously surprising at how many wonderful things you can do and how easy it is. As I said in my root post not once have I ever said "holy shit Obj-C sure made this task easy!"

alexbell 15y ago
Fair enough, and I can certainly empathize with wanting to use C++ so you don't have to rewrite everything for another platform. My perspective is going from the C/C++ (on Visual Studio for the most part) I used in school (so none of those nifty libraries/frameworks), to (for the most part) working on a data driven mobile application for iOS/Android. And after working with the Cocoa frameworks, I did say "Holy shit, Cocoa sure made this task easy!" :)
xsmasher 15y ago
>Once you've learned that GDB even exists and figured out many of the strange syntax nuances it's passable, but in my opinion not easier. You can mouse over an NSArray or NSDictionary and see its size and contents. You're not as familiar with the tools. I have your same complaint, but about C++. I'm frustrated that I can't easily see the contents of a std:set or std:map in xcode. I'd be thrilled to find out if it's just a gap in my knowledge, though.
- forrestthewoods 15y ago
  An NSMutableArray full of nothing but NSStrings will not display the string values of those strings on either mouse over or the locals view. I can see the number of strings but not what those strings actually are. :(