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Unions. Not just for fancy Europeans and factory workers. If your colleagues gets fired for some bs reason you and your other colleagues can stand for each oth

by Y-bar 4y ago

Unions. Not just for fancy Europeans and factory workers. If your colleagues gets fired for some bs reason you and your other colleagues can stand for each other by striking.

Archelaos 4y ago
... and codetermination. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination_in_Germany
- AdamJacobMuller 4y ago
  I read this as "code termination" instead of "co determination" and was about halfway through the wikipedia article and quite confused before I figured it out.
  - adolph 4y ago
    Yeah, its what happens when you get fired but everyone wraps their arms around you in a big group hug so security can't get to you: de-termination.
- kazen44 4y ago
  exists in most northern and western european companies aswell.. Unions in europe also seem far less militant than those in the US.
  - kwhitefoot 4y ago
    > Unions in europe also seem far less militant That's because unions are an integral part of the way many of the countries socio-political systems work. In Norway, for instance, the trades unions and the employers get together once a year to hammer out what is called tarriflønn, essentially the going rate for each broad type of job. The state provides a referee for the meetings whose job is to keep them on track and to encourage both sides to compromise. Unions and companies work together rather than fight each other, most of the time. But this can only work if there is a broad consensus that we are all in the same boat and that we will all be better off if we work together. The attitude, that appears to be common, in the US that employers are always exploitative, employees are always lazy and thieving, that the government is just a parasite, and that the aphorism "Good enough for government work" is a synonym for delivering shoddy work means that no one trusts anyone so you end up fighting all the time.
    - int_19h 4y ago
      It should be noted that European unions were no less militant originally. Being militant (and strong enough) is what gets you concessions - including better arrangements for future deals.
      - kwhitefoot 4y ago
        Of course, no argument there. But European society even then wasn't quite so polarised as the US seems to be now. So being militant was effective. Somehow unions in the US seem to have got such a bad reputation that even those who would benefit from them don't join.
  - uni_rule 4y ago
    I presume because their functional existence is already a given. America still hasn't quite gotten over the Pinkertons.
freeopinion 4y ago
Unless some of your colleagues don't go along with it and are willing to train recruits enough to keep the ship afloat. Unions: the anti-anti-trust weapon in the war to win the balance of power.

by Y-bar 4y ago

Unions. Not just for fancy Europeans and factory workers. If your colleagues gets fired for some bs reason you and your other colleagues can stand for each other by striking.

Archelaos 4y ago

... and codetermination. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination_in_Germany

AdamJacobMuller 4y ago
I read this as "code termination" instead of "co determination" and was about halfway through the wikipedia article and quite confused before I figured it out.
- adolph 4y ago
  Yeah, its what happens when you get fired but everyone wraps their arms around you in a big group hug so security can't get to you: de-termination.
kazen44 4y ago
exists in most northern and western european companies aswell.. Unions in europe also seem far less militant than those in the US.
- kwhitefoot 4y ago
  > Unions in europe also seem far less militant That's because unions are an integral part of the way many of the countries socio-political systems work. In Norway, for instance, the trades unions and the employers get together once a year to hammer out what is called tarriflønn, essentially the going rate for each broad type of job. The state provides a referee for the meetings whose job is to keep them on track and to encourage both sides to compromise. Unions and companies work together rather than fight each other, most of the time. But this can only work if there is a broad consensus that we are all in the same boat and that we will all be better off if we work together. The attitude, that appears to be common, in the US that employers are always exploitative, employees are always lazy and thieving, that the government is just a parasite, and that the aphorism "Good enough for government work" is a synonym for delivering shoddy work means that no one trusts anyone so you end up fighting all the time.
  - int_19h 4y ago
    It should be noted that European unions were no less militant originally. Being militant (and strong enough) is what gets you concessions - including better arrangements for future deals.
    - kwhitefoot 4y ago
      Of course, no argument there. But European society even then wasn't quite so polarised as the US seems to be now. So being militant was effective. Somehow unions in the US seem to have got such a bad reputation that even those who would benefit from them don't join.
- uni_rule 4y ago
  I presume because their functional existence is already a given. America still hasn't quite gotten over the Pinkertons.

freeopinion 4y ago

Unless some of your colleagues don't go along with it and are willing to train recruits enough to keep the ship afloat. Unions: the anti-anti-trust weapon in the war to win the balance of power.