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I think we live in a dangerous time. We have always disagreed on things and discussed and occasionally fought over them. This is healthy and needed (except any

I think we live in a dangerous time. We have always disagreed on things and discussed and occasionally fought over them. This is healthy and needed (except any violence). It is important to realize that even as we disagreed, we still used to agree on basic facts and then fought over what best to do next. That is what is different now! We now live in a culture where any discussion can simply be ended with "Your facts are wrong", or "I have alternative facts". A reasonable discourse is not possible this way. It takes just one "side" to take such a stance for society to fall into camps. I think that is what we see happening.

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jpadkins 4y ago
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- QuietWatchtower 4y ago
  bruh what? why did you bring the democratic party and obama into this?
  - jpadkins 4y ago
    I didn't bring democratic party into this. The GP was clearly talking about the left wing in the US.
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  Funny stuff. You have a significant portion of Republicans believing in an anonymous Q-clearance government official who's fighting the "deep state" by posting on 8chan but it turns out it's the Democrats who have lost touch with reality.
amadeuspagel 4y ago
> It is important to realize that even as we disagreed, we still used to agree on basic facts and then fought over what best to do next. What are these basic facts that people used to agree on, but now don't agree on anymore?
- lifeisgood99 4y ago
  Election results come to mind.
  - amadeuspagel 4y ago
    Wikipedia has a list of controversial elections in the US[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversial_elections#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversial_election...
  - throwayyy479087 4y ago
    I know a lot of people who believe Gore won and that Bush stole the election. This is nothing new.
    - colinmhayes 4y ago
      Tons of people in Florida with the same name as felons were purged right before the election. Those people were overwhelmingly black and likely to vote for gore. I think hardly anyone says that’s a stolen election, but it’s definitely a bit suspect. As far as I can tell there isn’t really any reason to claim 2020 was stolen, it’s 100% bs. No one was disenfranchised, although the house republicans tried to disenfranchise the entire state of Arizona on January 6th.
      - throwayyy479087 4y ago
        My entire family thinks 2000 was stolen and you at least slightly agree. These claims are not new to American democracy.
        colinmhayes 4y ago
        But who is disagreeing on facts? Stolen is an opinion about whether the purge qualifies or not. The 2020 deniers have no fact based claim at all.
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twblalock 4y ago
Honestly the 1700s and 1800s were far worse in terms of both misinformation and mob violence than what we are going through now. Look at what happened to Andrew Jackson's wife, for example. There was no golden age where everyone agreed on the same basic set of facts.
GoblinSlayer 4y ago
Was anybody beaten for solipsism?

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jpadkins 4y ago

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QuietWatchtower 4y ago
bruh what? why did you bring the democratic party and obama into this?
- jpadkins 4y ago
  I didn't bring democratic party into this. The GP was clearly talking about the left wing in the US.
AlexandrB 4y ago
Funny stuff. You have a significant portion of Republicans believing in an anonymous Q-clearance government official who's fighting the "deep state" by posting on 8chan but it turns out it's the Democrats who have lost touch with reality.

amadeuspagel 4y ago

> It is important to realize that even as we disagreed, we still used to agree on basic facts and then fought over what best to do next. What are these basic facts that people used to agree on, but now don't agree on anymore?

lifeisgood99 4y ago
Election results come to mind.
- amadeuspagel 4y ago
  Wikipedia has a list of controversial elections in the US[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversial_elections#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversial_election...
- throwayyy479087 4y ago
  I know a lot of people who believe Gore won and that Bush stole the election. This is nothing new.
  - colinmhayes 4y ago
    Tons of people in Florida with the same name as felons were purged right before the election. Those people were overwhelmingly black and likely to vote for gore. I think hardly anyone says that’s a stolen election, but it’s definitely a bit suspect. As far as I can tell there isn’t really any reason to claim 2020 was stolen, it’s 100% bs. No one was disenfranchised, although the house republicans tried to disenfranchise the entire state of Arizona on January 6th.
    - throwayyy479087 4y ago
      My entire family thinks 2000 was stolen and you at least slightly agree. These claims are not new to American democracy.
      - colinmhayes 4y ago
        But who is disagreeing on facts? Stolen is an opinion about whether the purge qualifies or not. The 2020 deniers have no fact based claim at all.
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twblalock 4y ago

Honestly the 1700s and 1800s were far worse in terms of both misinformation and mob violence than what we are going through now. Look at what happened to Andrew Jackson's wife, for example. There was no golden age where everyone agreed on the same basic set of facts.

GoblinSlayer 4y ago

Was anybody beaten for solipsism?