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An old idea that internet access should require certification like a car.

Wowfunhappy 4y ago
It's possible to exist in modern society without a drivers's license. I'm not sure the same is true for the internet anymore.
- GoblinSlayer 4y ago
  Drivers find it quite uncomfortable to be without a car. If they don't use internet from birth, they shouldn't miss it. Or it can be an internet cafe or ATM/kiosk (for a public transport system).
  - ben_w 4y ago
    Too many institutions now presume internet access for that to be true, even here in Germany, despite many of the people around me with the meme that German bureaucracy is pre-digital. And I have a driving licence, but have had no need to drive since moving to Berlin.
    - MonkeyClub 4y ago
      > Too many institutions now presume internet access That should be (more of) a cause for concern, imho.
    - GoblinSlayer 4y ago
      ATMs use internet, but don't give too much control to the user.
      - ben_w 4y ago
        I'm not talking about ATMs. I'm taking about government functions, banking (can't invest shares on an ATM), taxation, how to find out which services can be accessed where and when, what schedule changes are planned for public transport, collecting parcels that have been redirected and finding out where they were redirected to, doctor appointments, and so on. Sometimes these things can be done without internet, but not always, and the current trend is moving more things online-only.
JasserInicide 4y ago
Flaming hot take: the Internet was better in the past because only developed nations had access to it. As soon as mobile phones lowered the barrier to entry and BRIC countries and the like had easy access to it, the quality of everything plummeted. The amount of bad actors that flooded into the system was astronomical.
- teddyh 4y ago
  When spam started to flood the early internet, it wasn’t from the BRIC countries.
  - WillPostForFood 4y ago
    Not blaming BRIC countries here, but the really intense spamming started post-early internet. You can see the spike up in the early around 2003-4: https://www.emailtray.com/blog/email-spam-trends-2001-2012/ https://www.emailtray.com/blog/email-spam-trends-2001-2012/
    - teddyh 4y ago
      Those graphs are way too late. I was specifically thinking of the wave starting with the Canter and Siegel “Green Card” spam in 1994.
- munificent 4y ago
  Hot countertake: No nation has a monopoly on jackasses and the majority of problems in my life caused by misinformation on the Internet came from my fellow Americans.
- unknownaccount 4y ago
  Finally someone said it. This is why I’m not keen on IPv6.

It's possible to exist in modern society without a drivers's license. I'm not sure the same is true for the internet anymore.

GoblinSlayer 4y ago
Drivers find it quite uncomfortable to be without a car. If they don't use internet from birth, they shouldn't miss it. Or it can be an internet cafe or ATM/kiosk (for a public transport system).
- ben_w 4y ago
  Too many institutions now presume internet access for that to be true, even here in Germany, despite many of the people around me with the meme that German bureaucracy is pre-digital. And I have a driving licence, but have had no need to drive since moving to Berlin.
  - MonkeyClub 4y ago
    > Too many institutions now presume internet access That should be (more of) a cause for concern, imho.
  - GoblinSlayer 4y ago
    ATMs use internet, but don't give too much control to the user.
    - ben_w 4y ago
      I'm not talking about ATMs. I'm taking about government functions, banking (can't invest shares on an ATM), taxation, how to find out which services can be accessed where and when, what schedule changes are planned for public transport, collecting parcels that have been redirected and finding out where they were redirected to, doctor appointments, and so on. Sometimes these things can be done without internet, but not always, and the current trend is moving more things online-only.

JasserInicide 4y ago

Flaming hot take: the Internet was better in the past because only developed nations had access to it. As soon as mobile phones lowered the barrier to entry and BRIC countries and the like had easy access to it, the quality of everything plummeted. The amount of bad actors that flooded into the system was astronomical.

teddyh 4y ago
When spam started to flood the early internet, it wasn’t from the BRIC countries.
- WillPostForFood 4y ago
  Not blaming BRIC countries here, but the really intense spamming started post-early internet. You can see the spike up in the early around 2003-4: https://www.emailtray.com/blog/email-spam-trends-2001-2012/ https://www.emailtray.com/blog/email-spam-trends-2001-2012/
  - teddyh 4y ago
    Those graphs are way too late. I was specifically thinking of the wave starting with the Canter and Siegel “Green Card” spam in 1994.
munificent 4y ago
Hot countertake: No nation has a monopoly on jackasses and the majority of problems in my life caused by misinformation on the Internet came from my fellow Americans.
unknownaccount 4y ago
Finally someone said it. This is why I’m not keen on IPv6.