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> It seem perfectly sensible to say that we apparently have a big problem due to people literally shooting up pizza parlors over disinformation This is a perfe

by vxNsr 4y ago

> It seem perfectly sensible to say that we apparently have a big problem due to people literally shooting up pizza parlors over disinformation This is a perfect example of why this is a bad idea. Thank you for being the example. No one shot up a pizza parlor due to disinformation. A single concerned citizen brought a gun to a pizza shot to ascertain if there was a pedo ring being operated in it, after confirming there was not, he handed over his gun and not a single shot was fired. But you honestly believe that to be the case, either because it benefits your argument or because someone lied to you or because you misinterpreted something you read. But you now believe this is the truth and everyone who disagrees with that "truth" should be censored.

singleshot_ 4y ago
> not a single shot was fired This is a perfect example of disinformation. According to a contemporaneous report by the New York Times, the “concerned citizen” (which of course is a strange thing to call a criminal, but leaving that aside) illegally discharged an AR platform rifle inside the building, in order to destroy a lock. Think about why a person would want you to believe that the shooter’s actions were perfectly normal or why they would want you to believe you misremembered the event.
gaganyaan 4y ago
What? There were shots fired: > On December 4, 2016, Edgar Maddison Welch, a 28-year-old man from Salisbury, North Carolina, arrived at Comet Ping Pong and fired three shots from an AR-15 style rifle that struck the restaurant's walls, a desk, and a door. There's a whole section on Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory Your response is exactly why people are getting away with proposing draconian measures like this. You need to stop ingesting and spreading disinformation.
etchalon 4y ago
Your comment is such a perfect example of the ouroboros of misinformation, it's hard to believe it exists.
esrauch 4y ago
I don't understand your point; you think it's just fine that people deliberately slandered and lied about a pizza place to the extent that someone believed it, went in with an AR and fired rounds and that's all fine because no one died? Surely even if you think that was fine, it would have been better than fine if the guy did that same thing to a pizzeria actually was a pedo ring? My comment was only saying that violence induced by outright lies has a relevant difference than violence which is a reaction to things that actually happened. Those seem clearly different even if you think censorship is not a viable or correct solution to "violence induced by misinfo".
- tekknik 4y ago
  You’re excusing violence cause by your party, but demanding change for the other party. Both parties need to stop the violence. Having actually fought in a war, violence is never acceptable unless someone is trying to take your life.
  - esrauch 4y ago
    I'm excusing no violence, and whichever side you think is 'my party' you are incorrect, I am not either an American Republican or Democrat.
    - tekknik 4y ago
      Ah the good ole “not an American” getting involved in American politics.
      - esrauch 4y ago
        No one can comment on the mere idea of violence based on lies without having picked a side and defending a specific political agenda now? To my knowledge it was never the Republican Party's position is that pizzeria was a pedophile ring was it? What should being of a particular political party have to do with it, that event was based on 100% confirmed fake news. There are no conservative or liberal policies seem involved in that story at all?

by vxNsr 4y ago

singleshot_ 4y ago

> not a single shot was fired This is a perfect example of disinformation. According to a contemporaneous report by the New York Times, the “concerned citizen” (which of course is a strange thing to call a criminal, but leaving that aside) illegally discharged an AR platform rifle inside the building, in order to destroy a lock. Think about why a person would want you to believe that the shooter’s actions were perfectly normal or why they would want you to believe you misremembered the event.

gaganyaan 4y ago

What? There were shots fired: > On December 4, 2016, Edgar Maddison Welch, a 28-year-old man from Salisbury, North Carolina, arrived at Comet Ping Pong and fired three shots from an AR-15 style rifle that struck the restaurant's walls, a desk, and a door. There's a whole section on Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory Your response is exactly why people are getting away with proposing draconian measures like this. You need to stop ingesting and spreading disinformation.

etchalon 4y ago

Your comment is such a perfect example of the ouroboros of misinformation, it's hard to believe it exists.

esrauch 4y ago

I don't understand your point; you think it's just fine that people deliberately slandered and lied about a pizza place to the extent that someone believed it, went in with an AR and fired rounds and that's all fine because no one died? Surely even if you think that was fine, it would have been better than fine if the guy did that same thing to a pizzeria actually was a pedo ring? My comment was only saying that violence induced by outright lies has a relevant difference than violence which is a reaction to things that actually happened. Those seem clearly different even if you think censorship is not a viable or correct solution to "violence induced by misinfo".

tekknik 4y ago
You’re excusing violence cause by your party, but demanding change for the other party. Both parties need to stop the violence. Having actually fought in a war, violence is never acceptable unless someone is trying to take your life.
- esrauch 4y ago
  I'm excusing no violence, and whichever side you think is 'my party' you are incorrect, I am not either an American Republican or Democrat.
  - tekknik 4y ago
    Ah the good ole “not an American” getting involved in American politics.
    - esrauch 4y ago
      No one can comment on the mere idea of violence based on lies without having picked a side and defending a specific political agenda now? To my knowledge it was never the Republican Party's position is that pizzeria was a pedophile ring was it? What should being of a particular political party have to do with it, that event was based on 100% confirmed fake news. There are no conservative or liberal policies seem involved in that story at all?