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That work is being actively aggressively sabotaged by his instantly emerged pattern of promoting unambiguous right-wing agitprop and disinformation, using the c

That work is being actively aggressively sabotaged by his instantly emerged pattern of promoting unambiguous right-wing agitprop and disinformation, using the classic "I'm just asking question" stance used by prominent fascists like Tucker Carlson. Stoned-Musk may think it's funny; fascist-friendly-Musk may think it's useful to keep the left distracted, angry, and off "his" site... ...where grifter-Musk sees the eventual ROI is less clear. Maybe a dystopia is good for the long-term bottom line in kick-backs by a single-party state who knows and rewards their friends? Promoting disinformation to provide chaff and cover for GOP uneasy with an attempted assassination of the Speaker of the House which as 100% stochastic terrorism resulting from relentless histrionic neofascist dehumanizing grievance hysteria for decades, including explicit rhetoric about killing said Speaker, is more than stoned-Musk meme-trolling. It's actively, corrosively, undermining functioning democracy and empowering a right wing increasingly openly embracing violence. QElon has gone over the edge.

yieldcrv 4y ago
> using the classic "I'm just asking question" stance what is the desired way for people to learn and also criticize aspects of culture that were fine before, but now changing? its easy not to understand what the consensus is and get berated for not knowing that, which just radicalizes people that might have been able to be supportive.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  Understand how "just asking questions" has been co-opted by a group so thoroughly, that its use of a rhetorical or dialogue device associates one's self to that group. It's a well poisoned by bad faith. Realize that people are generally able to tell the difference between authentic curiosity and Socratic-curiosity. The later, as you well know, involves asking leading questions to arrive at a predetermined destination whereas the former does not. There's many more answers to this question, but leaving those there feels like a good enough place to start as any.
  - yieldcrv 4y ago
    can you give an example? despite my meticulous wording, you/someone interpreted it as a defense of “just asking questions” when I didn’t say that or have an argument for that at all can you give an example of a compliant way to be curious? what about curious and not accepting of the new desired norm but open to understanding it more? its easy to not even know what/how to ask, that leads people to start a conversation based around a reaction to the change, the predictable pushback from looking the exact same as a bigot just radicalizes the person that said anything. so if you know a better uniform way, you can help prevent this
    - rnk 4y ago
      If you keep doing it over and over like Tucker Carlson, then it's clear it's wrong. He keeps asking questions as a way to push people to certain views. He's alarmist in these 'questions'. He asks them that way as a rhetorical strategy for things that are pretty controversial if he just said them. If you did it rarely but it was combined with observations and facts (not happening w Mr Carlson that much) there is a difference.
brainphreeze 4y ago
Sounds like you've gone over the edge to be honest.

yieldcrv 4y ago

> using the classic "I'm just asking question" stance what is the desired way for people to learn and also criticize aspects of culture that were fine before, but now changing? its easy not to understand what the consensus is and get berated for not knowing that, which just radicalizes people that might have been able to be supportive.

kelseyfrog 4y ago
Understand how "just asking questions" has been co-opted by a group so thoroughly, that its use of a rhetorical or dialogue device associates one's self to that group. It's a well poisoned by bad faith. Realize that people are generally able to tell the difference between authentic curiosity and Socratic-curiosity. The later, as you well know, involves asking leading questions to arrive at a predetermined destination whereas the former does not. There's many more answers to this question, but leaving those there feels like a good enough place to start as any.
- yieldcrv 4y ago
  can you give an example? despite my meticulous wording, you/someone interpreted it as a defense of “just asking questions” when I didn’t say that or have an argument for that at all can you give an example of a compliant way to be curious? what about curious and not accepting of the new desired norm but open to understanding it more? its easy to not even know what/how to ask, that leads people to start a conversation based around a reaction to the change, the predictable pushback from looking the exact same as a bigot just radicalizes the person that said anything. so if you know a better uniform way, you can help prevent this
  - rnk 4y ago
    If you keep doing it over and over like Tucker Carlson, then it's clear it's wrong. He keeps asking questions as a way to push people to certain views. He's alarmist in these 'questions'. He asks them that way as a rhetorical strategy for things that are pretty controversial if he just said them. If you did it rarely but it was combined with observations and facts (not happening w Mr Carlson that much) there is a difference.

brainphreeze 4y ago

Sounds like you've gone over the edge to be honest.