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I am not sure why this is called disinformation, and why folks think this is a new concept. It's called propaganda, and it's been a tool of war since ever. We d

I am not sure why this is called disinformation, and why folks think this is a new concept. It's called propaganda, and it's been a tool of war since ever. We do need to defend against propaganda, free europe and US. There are actors out there leveraging the reach of the internet to spread propaganda in their favor, much as the SU did and any actor before or during it.

hajile 4y ago
Positive and Negative rights matter here. The right to use your own megaphone is different from banning my right to also have a megaphone.
3np 4y ago
Definitions in TFA: > misinformation (false information spread unintentionally), disinformation (false information spread intentionally), and malinformation (factual information shared, typically out of context, with harmful intent) Disinformation can, as the others, be used as propaganda.
rr808 4y ago
I think there is a big difference with electronic media in that you can get propaganda from the other side. Eg in WW2 in Western Europe you wouldn't even hear Nazi propaganda except perhaps the occasional leaflet or maybe some radio if you searched for it - in America there would be nothing. Now you get messages on Facebook mixed in with your cousin's wedding pics.
- yrgulation 4y ago
  There were definitely attempts at promoting nazi ideas in the west, both in the us and western europe. But unlike modern day it was quickly counteracted. Today you dont need a specific political ideology to sow discontent and damage free societies. All you need is to indoctrinate naive cousins in any toxic topic they may be ready to believe. At scale that causes polarisation, mistrust, conflict and eventually political change. A bit like poisoning the body just enough so it doesnt function properly. The question is how do you police content in such way that it doesnt block legitimate opposing ideas.
Ambolia 4y ago
But there are factions inside every country. Which faction gets to push their propaganda to the other half of the country?
pessimizer 4y ago
> There are actors out there leveraging the reach of the internet to spread propaganda in their favor The US does this more than any other country on earth, and has covert intelligence services with bigger budgets than the entirety of the budgets of many countries. > much as the SU did It's not 1987, and I think the US might have also done a little bit of propaganda about the Soviet Union. It may have declared war on its own citizens to stamp out any indication of Soviet sympathies for decades, even.
- yrgulation 4y ago
  > It's not 1987, and I think the US might have also done a little bit of propaganda about the Soviet Union. Not enough to be honest. An entity that exterminated people en masse and destroyed entire cultures and peoples deserves worse than just a but if propaganda against it.

hajile 4y ago

Positive and Negative rights matter here. The right to use your own megaphone is different from banning my right to also have a megaphone.

3np 4y ago

Definitions in TFA: > misinformation (false information spread unintentionally), disinformation (false information spread intentionally), and malinformation (factual information shared, typically out of context, with harmful intent) Disinformation can, as the others, be used as propaganda.

rr808 4y ago

I think there is a big difference with electronic media in that you can get propaganda from the other side. Eg in WW2 in Western Europe you wouldn't even hear Nazi propaganda except perhaps the occasional leaflet or maybe some radio if you searched for it - in America there would be nothing. Now you get messages on Facebook mixed in with your cousin's wedding pics.

yrgulation 4y ago
There were definitely attempts at promoting nazi ideas in the west, both in the us and western europe. But unlike modern day it was quickly counteracted. Today you dont need a specific political ideology to sow discontent and damage free societies. All you need is to indoctrinate naive cousins in any toxic topic they may be ready to believe. At scale that causes polarisation, mistrust, conflict and eventually political change. A bit like poisoning the body just enough so it doesnt function properly. The question is how do you police content in such way that it doesnt block legitimate opposing ideas.

Ambolia 4y ago

But there are factions inside every country. Which faction gets to push their propaganda to the other half of the country?

pessimizer 4y ago

> There are actors out there leveraging the reach of the internet to spread propaganda in their favor The US does this more than any other country on earth, and has covert intelligence services with bigger budgets than the entirety of the budgets of many countries. > much as the SU did It's not 1987, and I think the US might have also done a little bit of propaganda about the Soviet Union. It may have declared war on its own citizens to stamp out any indication of Soviet sympathies for decades, even.

yrgulation 4y ago
> It's not 1987, and I think the US might have also done a little bit of propaganda about the Soviet Union. Not enough to be honest. An entity that exterminated people en masse and destroyed entire cultures and peoples deserves worse than just a but if propaganda against it.