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Among the information labeled as disinformation was the Hunter Biden laptop which turned out to be true. So this disinformation apparatus ended up doing the opp

by fakethenews2022 4y ago

Among the information labeled as disinformation was the Hunter Biden laptop which turned out to be true. So this disinformation apparatus ended up doing the opposite and suppressed true information. Not only that but the government knew at the time that this information was true. Just label this for what it is, government censorship supported by big tech.

puffoflogic 4y ago
Excuse me, do you have any reputable sources for the so-called "Biden laptop" story being anything but Russian propaganda? Right-wing blogs spreading Russian propaganda don't count.
- fakethenews2022 4y ago
  Yes. Go to the New York Times, Washington Post, etc… Need a link? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-...
  - puffoflogic 4y ago
    The NYT is pretty unambiguous that the laptop is disinformation: > Russian intelligence officers were using Mr. Giuliani, who provided the hard drive copy to the tabloid, as a conduit for disinformation aimed at undermining Mr. Biden’s presidential run. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/politics/hunter-biden-laptop.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/politics/hunter-biden-... Also, if you're going to break HN rules by using your account to do ideological battle and spread disinformation, maybe make it a little less obvious in your username?
    - fakethenews2022 4y ago
      Did you not read that the New York Times changed their mind a year after your story? Go read the article I linked that was published a full year after your article. Shame on you for spreading misinformation.
      - puffoflogic 4y ago
        Ctrl-F "laptop" in your article only comes up with a link to the one I quoted. Nice try.
- zackees 4y ago
  Here you go: NYPost: Washington Post, New York Times finally admit Hunter’s laptop is real — but only to protect Joe Biden some more https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/new-york-times-finally-admit-hunters-laptop-is-real-but-only-to-protect-joe-biden/amp/ https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/new-york-times-finally-admit-h...
- jaywalk 4y ago
  How about the NY Times? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-... > Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. Either the NY Times is a "right-wing blog spreading Russian propaganda" or the fact that they based this story on the contents of the laptop is a tacit admission that it's authentic.
  - puffoflogic 4y ago
    The NYT is pretty unambiguous that the laptop is disinformation: > Russian intelligence officers were using Mr. Giuliani, who provided the hard drive copy to the tabloid, as a conduit for disinformation aimed at undermining Mr. Biden’s presidential run.
    - jaywalk 4y ago
      I don't see that quote in the article I linked. Perhaps you got it from an older one, where they were still pretending it wasn't authentic?
- oldgradstudent 4y ago
  What's the evidence for any Russian involvement at all? https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/hunter-biden-laptop-investigation.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/hunter-biden-laptop-...
- tastyfreeze 4y ago
  Pretty much everything about Hunter Biden that was decried as "disinformation" or "Russian propaganda" has turned out to be true. The laptop story was squelched just prior to the election. https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/new-york-times-finally-admit-hunters-laptop-is-real-but-only-to-protect-joe-biden/ https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/new-york-times-finally-admit-h... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/analysis-hunter-bidens-hard-drive-shows-firm-took-11-million-2013-2018-rcna29462 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/analysis-...
acdha 4y ago
> Among the information labeled as disinformation was the Hunter Biden laptop which turned out to be true. What, specifically, was labeled as disinformation but later turned out to be true? Please cite sources so we can be talking about the same things.
- fakethenews2022 4y ago
  Everything in the laptop. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-...
  - acdha 4y ago
    Can you be more specific? What specific claims were labeled as disinformation by whom? This matters because what was covered at the time was that the laptop was known not to have a good chain of custody. At the time, journalists at the NYT, WaPo, and others reported that they were able to verify some of the emails but that large amounts of data were hard to validate and the lack of a clean forensic history made it hard to confirm validity for many of the files because there were clear signs of access and modification after it had left Hunter Biden’s control. Nothing which has come out since then has changed that, and the general consensus outside of movement conservatives seems to be that the main thing politicizing this did is to make it harder for the DOJ and other investigators to prove anything to a legal standard.
    - fakethenews2022 4y ago
      Nope. The New York Times and others ran headlines that front lined that it was Russian disinformation. They didn't talk much about how the emails were verified. In fact Glenn Greenwald quit because his editor tried to suppress his story on it.
      - acdha 4y ago
        If that was true, you’d be able to provide a source. Instead, you’re linking to things like this story which do not say what you’re claiming: > No concrete evidence has emerged that the laptop contains Russian disinformation. > John Ratcliffe, the director of national intelligence, also told Fox Business Network that the “laptop is not part of some Russian disinformation campaign.” https://web.archive.org/web/20201022234605/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/politics/hunter-biden-laptop.html https://web.archive.org/web/20201022234605/https://www.nytim... Again, can you cite a specific claim made by a specific entity at a specific time? Your feelings don’t give the rest of us much to work with.
fakethenews2022 4y ago
I just love the partisan hacks that downvote facts because they don’t like this. So Hacker News.

puffoflogic 4y ago

Excuse me, do you have any reputable sources for the so-called "Biden laptop" story being anything but Russian propaganda? Right-wing blogs spreading Russian propaganda don't count.

fakethenews2022 4y ago
Yes. Go to the New York Times, Washington Post, etc… Need a link? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-...
- puffoflogic 4y ago
  The NYT is pretty unambiguous that the laptop is disinformation: > Russian intelligence officers were using Mr. Giuliani, who provided the hard drive copy to the tabloid, as a conduit for disinformation aimed at undermining Mr. Biden’s presidential run. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/politics/hunter-biden-laptop.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/politics/hunter-biden-... Also, if you're going to break HN rules by using your account to do ideological battle and spread disinformation, maybe make it a little less obvious in your username?
  - fakethenews2022 4y ago
    Did you not read that the New York Times changed their mind a year after your story? Go read the article I linked that was published a full year after your article. Shame on you for spreading misinformation.
    - puffoflogic 4y ago
      Ctrl-F "laptop" in your article only comes up with a link to the one I quoted. Nice try.
zackees 4y ago
Here you go: NYPost: Washington Post, New York Times finally admit Hunter’s laptop is real — but only to protect Joe Biden some more https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/new-york-times-finally-admit-hunters-laptop-is-real-but-only-to-protect-joe-biden/amp/ https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/new-york-times-finally-admit-h...
jaywalk 4y ago
How about the NY Times? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-... > Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. Either the NY Times is a "right-wing blog spreading Russian propaganda" or the fact that they based this story on the contents of the laptop is a tacit admission that it's authentic.
- puffoflogic 4y ago
  The NYT is pretty unambiguous that the laptop is disinformation: > Russian intelligence officers were using Mr. Giuliani, who provided the hard drive copy to the tabloid, as a conduit for disinformation aimed at undermining Mr. Biden’s presidential run.
  - jaywalk 4y ago
    I don't see that quote in the article I linked. Perhaps you got it from an older one, where they were still pretending it wasn't authentic?
oldgradstudent 4y ago
What's the evidence for any Russian involvement at all? https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/hunter-biden-laptop-investigation.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/hunter-biden-laptop-...
tastyfreeze 4y ago
Pretty much everything about Hunter Biden that was decried as "disinformation" or "Russian propaganda" has turned out to be true. The laptop story was squelched just prior to the election. https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/new-york-times-finally-admit-hunters-laptop-is-real-but-only-to-protect-joe-biden/ https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/new-york-times-finally-admit-h... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/analysis-hunter-bidens-hard-drive-shows-firm-took-11-million-2013-2018-rcna29462 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/analysis-...

acdha 4y ago

> Among the information labeled as disinformation was the Hunter Biden laptop which turned out to be true. What, specifically, was labeled as disinformation but later turned out to be true? Please cite sources so we can be talking about the same things.

fakethenews2022 4y ago
Everything in the laptop. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-...
- acdha 4y ago
  Can you be more specific? What specific claims were labeled as disinformation by whom? This matters because what was covered at the time was that the laptop was known not to have a good chain of custody. At the time, journalists at the NYT, WaPo, and others reported that they were able to verify some of the emails but that large amounts of data were hard to validate and the lack of a clean forensic history made it hard to confirm validity for many of the files because there were clear signs of access and modification after it had left Hunter Biden’s control. Nothing which has come out since then has changed that, and the general consensus outside of movement conservatives seems to be that the main thing politicizing this did is to make it harder for the DOJ and other investigators to prove anything to a legal standard.
  - fakethenews2022 4y ago
    Nope. The New York Times and others ran headlines that front lined that it was Russian disinformation. They didn't talk much about how the emails were verified. In fact Glenn Greenwald quit because his editor tried to suppress his story on it.
    - acdha 4y ago
      If that was true, you’d be able to provide a source. Instead, you’re linking to things like this story which do not say what you’re claiming: > No concrete evidence has emerged that the laptop contains Russian disinformation. > John Ratcliffe, the director of national intelligence, also told Fox Business Network that the “laptop is not part of some Russian disinformation campaign.” https://web.archive.org/web/20201022234605/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/politics/hunter-biden-laptop.html https://web.archive.org/web/20201022234605/https://www.nytim... Again, can you cite a specific claim made by a specific entity at a specific time? Your feelings don’t give the rest of us much to work with.

fakethenews2022 4y ago

I just love the partisan hacks that downvote facts because they don’t like this. So Hacker News.