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The place I’m applying simply lists: “Software Development (all levels)” and is an open call for engineers. Salary obviously will depend on experience and inter

by jakear 4y ago

The place I’m applying simply lists: “Software Development (all levels)” and is an open call for engineers. Salary obviously will depend on experience and interview performance. I don’t see why that’s an issue, a corporatized version of this where each company has to split their postings into 8 different categories or risk excluding complete novices/interns that might join for near free or heavy hitters that would need big cash but provide significant return… doesn’t seem better in any way.

ilikehurdles 4y ago
The last startup I worked at ranged developers from 100k to 150k on paper but “senior devs” landed at around 125, while the current startup I work at didn’t list numbers but puts senior devs at around $200k plus generous bonuses. Where you land always depends on performance and experience, sure, but knowing both ends of the range for any given title is still critically important to making a decision (and negotiating). If someone comes from a below-market rate company, they may not know what to even ask for or negotiate around because important information is obscured from them, and they’ll end up short-changing themselves.
squeaky-clean 4y ago
> split their postings into 8 different categories or risk excluding complete novices/interns that might join for near free I've been helping a friend who's just out of school and going through the interview ringer. They've already gone through one round of interviews for a posting like that only to be told after 2 interviews (for an internship) "by all experience levels we actually meant a minimum of 2 years industry experience for the lowest level". So now she completely avoids anything that is phrased this way.
- robocat 4y ago
  I recently read a study that found most women give up trying when applying for jobs and promotions, so they miss out. Similarly, lack of assertiveness: https://medium.com/the-pink/why-women-give-up-their-power-d92e35af0f9a https://medium.com/the-pink/why-women-give-up-their-power-d9... I hope you can help your friend learn to be more stubborn against failure. I wish I knew what a good training technique might be: I have friends that need help with the same issue (both male and female).
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Sadly the best training technique is to just keep trying, time and time again. If you have difficulty interviewing, you should interview even when you have a job, just to get more practice. The first time you're turned down it hurts a lot, especially if it was a job you really were interested in - the fiftieth? Not so much.

by jakear 4y ago

ilikehurdles 4y ago

The last startup I worked at ranged developers from 100k to 150k on paper but “senior devs” landed at around 125, while the current startup I work at didn’t list numbers but puts senior devs at around $200k plus generous bonuses. Where you land always depends on performance and experience, sure, but knowing both ends of the range for any given title is still critically important to making a decision (and negotiating). If someone comes from a below-market rate company, they may not know what to even ask for or negotiate around because important information is obscured from them, and they’ll end up short-changing themselves.

squeaky-clean 4y ago

> split their postings into 8 different categories or risk excluding complete novices/interns that might join for near free I've been helping a friend who's just out of school and going through the interview ringer. They've already gone through one round of interviews for a posting like that only to be told after 2 interviews (for an internship) "by all experience levels we actually meant a minimum of 2 years industry experience for the lowest level". So now she completely avoids anything that is phrased this way.

robocat 4y ago
I recently read a study that found most women give up trying when applying for jobs and promotions, so they miss out. Similarly, lack of assertiveness: https://medium.com/the-pink/why-women-give-up-their-power-d92e35af0f9a https://medium.com/the-pink/why-women-give-up-their-power-d9... I hope you can help your friend learn to be more stubborn against failure. I wish I knew what a good training technique might be: I have friends that need help with the same issue (both male and female).
- bombcar 4y ago
  Sadly the best training technique is to just keep trying, time and time again. If you have difficulty interviewing, you should interview even when you have a job, just to get more practice. The first time you're turned down it hurts a lot, especially if it was a job you really were interested in - the fiftieth? Not so much.