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They win absolute performance on Desktop CPUs but lose on perf-per-watt. An argument could be made for AMD's 5800x3d in gaming, but when paired with a 4090, the

They win absolute performance on Desktop CPUs but lose on perf-per-watt. An argument could be made for AMD's 5800x3d in gaming, but when paired with a 4090, the intel CPUs take the lead.

fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
> when paired with a 4090, the intel CPUs take the lead Crypto mining is out, but enterprising gamers can now defray their costs by operating a steam turbine with waste heat.
- Shared404 4y ago
  Or making an impromptu campfire!
pishpash 4y ago
> They win absolute performance on Desktop CPUs but lose on perf-per-watt. How is that possible? They have better thermal design or something?
- adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
  no, they just require bigger coolers.
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  Intel allows the CPUs to draw significantly more power than AMD does. These are about the most reliable benchmarks you can find on the internet: https://youtu.be/todoXi1Y-PI?t=342 https://youtu.be/todoXi1Y-PI?t=342
  - pishpash 4y ago
    What's preventing AMD from allowing the same?
    - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
      Heat distribution as far as I can tell, this video from derbauer shows that shifting the way the cooler contacts the CPU lid (aka offset mounting) can provide drastically lower temperatures which means the cpu is allowed to draw more juice. In the video [1], there's an 8% improvement which tbh is massive; though it seems that the creator missed that, so ignore the conclusion, look at the numbers. An 8% improvement would have put AMD in the lead with intel unable to compete. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mPi6DjGZpQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mPi6DjGZpQ
briffle 4y ago
right, pair your $400 CPU with a $1400 video card, and man, look how fast it is for graphics applications!
- formerly_proven 4y ago
  AMD has a huge gaping pricing hole between AM4 and anything AM5, which makes Intel 13th gen rather more attractive. And the 5800X3D is actually faster than the AM5 parts in some titles iirc
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  Here is the catch; when Intel and AMD presented their slides, nobody could disclose information about the Lovelace performance, and therefore all comparisons were made using a 3090ti, and in that scenario, even in Intel's own graphs, the 5800x3d was actually performing very well; so much so that they were playing coy with its performance; https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/intel-announce-13th-gen-raptor-lake-cpus-confirm-arc-a770-limited-edition-gpu-release-date https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/intel-announce-13th-gen-rap...

They win absolute performance on Desktop CPUs but lose on perf-per-watt. An argument could be made for AMD's 5800x3d in gaming, but when paired with a 4090, the intel CPUs take the lead.

fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago

> when paired with a 4090, the intel CPUs take the lead Crypto mining is out, but enterprising gamers can now defray their costs by operating a steam turbine with waste heat.

Shared404 4y ago
Or making an impromptu campfire!

pishpash 4y ago

> They win absolute performance on Desktop CPUs but lose on perf-per-watt. How is that possible? They have better thermal design or something?

adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
no, they just require bigger coolers.
PartiallyTyped 4y ago
Intel allows the CPUs to draw significantly more power than AMD does. These are about the most reliable benchmarks you can find on the internet: https://youtu.be/todoXi1Y-PI?t=342 https://youtu.be/todoXi1Y-PI?t=342
- pishpash 4y ago
  What's preventing AMD from allowing the same?
  - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
    Heat distribution as far as I can tell, this video from derbauer shows that shifting the way the cooler contacts the CPU lid (aka offset mounting) can provide drastically lower temperatures which means the cpu is allowed to draw more juice. In the video [1], there's an 8% improvement which tbh is massive; though it seems that the creator missed that, so ignore the conclusion, look at the numbers. An 8% improvement would have put AMD in the lead with intel unable to compete. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mPi6DjGZpQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mPi6DjGZpQ

briffle 4y ago

right, pair your $400 CPU with a $1400 video card, and man, look how fast it is for graphics applications!

formerly_proven 4y ago
AMD has a huge gaping pricing hole between AM4 and anything AM5, which makes Intel 13th gen rather more attractive. And the 5800X3D is actually faster than the AM5 parts in some titles iirc
PartiallyTyped 4y ago
Here is the catch; when Intel and AMD presented their slides, nobody could disclose information about the Lovelace performance, and therefore all comparisons were made using a 3090ti, and in that scenario, even in Intel's own graphs, the 5800x3d was actually performing very well; so much so that they were playing coy with its performance; https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/intel-announce-13th-gen-raptor-lake-cpus-confirm-arc-a770-limited-edition-gpu-release-date https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/intel-announce-13th-gen-rap...