> Put it how you want, the entire west is at war with Russia, and they are holding much better than we'd like to admit. You are framing it wrong. The west is n

> Put it how you want, the entire west is at war with Russia, and they are holding much better than we'd like to admit. You are framing it wrong. The west is not at war with Russia, Russia is at war with the west (via Ukraine). The west didn't start the war and saying that it doesn't matter who started it by calling the discussion trite is, well, itself trite because you're just seemingly trying to avoid the difficult point that the war was in fact started by Russia. And sure, Russia hasn't collapsed, but I don't think anyone expected Russia to collapse 8 months later and in reality they really aren't doing well. If they were doing well they wouldn't have needed to call a conscription and put policies in place to prevent bank runs.