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> flawed main character who fails, then ultimately learns to overcome their flaw and become good and happy Ha! I'm not sure that final sentence works for Sween

> flawed main character who fails, then ultimately learns to overcome their flaw and become good and happy Ha! I'm not sure that final sentence works for Sweeney Todd. Not a lot of redemption in that story. But the rest of your point is good - although I would think that the "flawed main character" bit covers Groundhog day just fine, and I don't know that Groundhog day deserves its own archetype, as great as it is.

coldtea 4y ago
Yeah, like Sweeny Todd? As if that's the best or common recognizable example of the archetype? (Not to mention Groundhog Day is 100% flawed character, the "time travel" part is redundant).
incomingpain 4y ago
>Ha! I'm not sure that final sentence works for Sweeney Todd Caught that did you? I love johnny depp. Quite possibly the only known musical I like. >although I would think that the "flawed main character" bit covers Groundhog day just fine, and I don't know that Groundhog day deserves its own archetype, as great as it is. Ya its hard to find another example, perhaps the grinch? It's not my personal cup of tea, but women typically like these. Downtown abbey maybe? Bridgerton? I'm not sure. The story is basically, "Jerk becomes better person through experiencing why they are a jerk." It would seem I'm back to not being able to post on HN. Dropped quite negative in my posts, not sure why people dislike this post. Haven't posted in an hour, still going too fast. edit/ wow 3 hours i couldn't post. impressive brigading this time.
- agentwiggles 4y ago
  I'm also a big fan of the Burton Sweeney Todd adaptation. I've heard more musical-inclined folks complain about various components of the movie but for my money it's a lot of fun and the performances are all solid. Particularly liked Alan Rickman and Tim Spall as the villain duo. Oh, and Sasha Baron Cohen as Pirelli the barber is pretty great too!

coldtea 4y ago

Yeah, like Sweeny Todd? As if that's the best or common recognizable example of the archetype? (Not to mention Groundhog Day is 100% flawed character, the "time travel" part is redundant).

incomingpain 4y ago

>Ha! I'm not sure that final sentence works for Sweeney Todd Caught that did you? I love johnny depp. Quite possibly the only known musical I like. >although I would think that the "flawed main character" bit covers Groundhog day just fine, and I don't know that Groundhog day deserves its own archetype, as great as it is. Ya its hard to find another example, perhaps the grinch? It's not my personal cup of tea, but women typically like these. Downtown abbey maybe? Bridgerton? I'm not sure. The story is basically, "Jerk becomes better person through experiencing why they are a jerk." It would seem I'm back to not being able to post on HN. Dropped quite negative in my posts, not sure why people dislike this post. Haven't posted in an hour, still going too fast. edit/ wow 3 hours i couldn't post. impressive brigading this time.

agentwiggles 4y ago
I'm also a big fan of the Burton Sweeney Todd adaptation. I've heard more musical-inclined folks complain about various components of the movie but for my money it's a lot of fun and the performances are all solid. Particularly liked Alan Rickman and Tim Spall as the villain duo. Oh, and Sasha Baron Cohen as Pirelli the barber is pretty great too!