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>here are really only five possible movie plot lines. Boy meets girl. And then... There are at most five ongoing narratives in U.S. political history. Outsiders

>here are really only five possible movie plot lines. Boy meets girl. And then... There are at most five ongoing narratives in U.S. political history. Outsiders take power, to redress grievances. And then … There may not be even five master narratives in world religions. People suffer. But then … 7 plots, there are 7 media stories. Jaws, overcoming the boogyman/shark. Cinderella, good personality poor becomes rich and deserves it. LOTR, you need to bring widget somewhere wierd to save the world. Hobbit, you adventure to strange lands and come back. Annie Hall, comedic character has to overcome adversity to get happy ending Sweeny Todd, flawed main character who fails, then ultimately learns to overcome their flaw and become good and happy. Groundhog day, time travel forces bad main character to become better. All these are aligned in the news as discovered by the author. Realistically just following 'hate inc' by matt taibi. Which really the article/author and matt just comes from Hunter Thompson. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzo_journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzo_journalism You can imagine, over and over in the election system the characters of democracy play out exactly this way. Once you realize this, it forces you to personally answer the obvious question. Are they doing it intentionally or is this all fake like these fictional movies?

agentwiggles 4y ago
> flawed main character who fails, then ultimately learns to overcome their flaw and become good and happy Ha! I'm not sure that final sentence works for Sweeney Todd. Not a lot of redemption in that story. But the rest of your point is good - although I would think that the "flawed main character" bit covers Groundhog day just fine, and I don't know that Groundhog day deserves its own archetype, as great as it is.
- coldtea 4y ago
  Yeah, like Sweeny Todd? As if that's the best or common recognizable example of the archetype? (Not to mention Groundhog Day is 100% flawed character, the "time travel" part is redundant).
- incomingpain 4y ago
  >Ha! I'm not sure that final sentence works for Sweeney Todd Caught that did you? I love johnny depp. Quite possibly the only known musical I like. >although I would think that the "flawed main character" bit covers Groundhog day just fine, and I don't know that Groundhog day deserves its own archetype, as great as it is. Ya its hard to find another example, perhaps the grinch? It's not my personal cup of tea, but women typically like these. Downtown abbey maybe? Bridgerton? I'm not sure. The story is basically, "Jerk becomes better person through experiencing why they are a jerk." It would seem I'm back to not being able to post on HN. Dropped quite negative in my posts, not sure why people dislike this post. Haven't posted in an hour, still going too fast. edit/ wow 3 hours i couldn't post. impressive brigading this time.
  - agentwiggles 4y ago
    I'm also a big fan of the Burton Sweeney Todd adaptation. I've heard more musical-inclined folks complain about various components of the movie but for my money it's a lot of fun and the performances are all solid. Particularly liked Alan Rickman and Tim Spall as the villain duo. Oh, and Sasha Baron Cohen as Pirelli the barber is pretty great too!
djbusby 4y ago
Where is "The Whale (Moby Dick)" - man goes crazy with revenge, makes extreme effort, takes others down with him. Could Ye and Elon be Ahab?
- slg 4y ago
  Ye isn't going for revenge. Maybe he is billing it that way, but revenge requires an initial wronging, and he was never wronged by the collective Jewish people. Other people referring to him as "seeking revenge" is validating some of his false grievances.
- incomingpain 4y ago
  Honestly kind of not remembering mobydick right now, but most likely the first one, overcoming the boogeyman, the man eating whale. This in terms of modern news. "Clinton/Biden are Ahab." They were overcoming the monster which is trump. In corrolary if looking at the other political spectrum. It's trump overcoming "the swamp" Both of which are ridiculous but that's the story being spun for either side. When in reality neither is true.

agentwiggles 4y ago

> flawed main character who fails, then ultimately learns to overcome their flaw and become good and happy Ha! I'm not sure that final sentence works for Sweeney Todd. Not a lot of redemption in that story. But the rest of your point is good - although I would think that the "flawed main character" bit covers Groundhog day just fine, and I don't know that Groundhog day deserves its own archetype, as great as it is.

coldtea 4y ago
Yeah, like Sweeny Todd? As if that's the best or common recognizable example of the archetype? (Not to mention Groundhog Day is 100% flawed character, the "time travel" part is redundant).
incomingpain 4y ago
>Ha! I'm not sure that final sentence works for Sweeney Todd Caught that did you? I love johnny depp. Quite possibly the only known musical I like. >although I would think that the "flawed main character" bit covers Groundhog day just fine, and I don't know that Groundhog day deserves its own archetype, as great as it is. Ya its hard to find another example, perhaps the grinch? It's not my personal cup of tea, but women typically like these. Downtown abbey maybe? Bridgerton? I'm not sure. The story is basically, "Jerk becomes better person through experiencing why they are a jerk." It would seem I'm back to not being able to post on HN. Dropped quite negative in my posts, not sure why people dislike this post. Haven't posted in an hour, still going too fast. edit/ wow 3 hours i couldn't post. impressive brigading this time.
- agentwiggles 4y ago
  I'm also a big fan of the Burton Sweeney Todd adaptation. I've heard more musical-inclined folks complain about various components of the movie but for my money it's a lot of fun and the performances are all solid. Particularly liked Alan Rickman and Tim Spall as the villain duo. Oh, and Sasha Baron Cohen as Pirelli the barber is pretty great too!

djbusby 4y ago

Where is "The Whale (Moby Dick)" - man goes crazy with revenge, makes extreme effort, takes others down with him. Could Ye and Elon be Ahab?

slg 4y ago
Ye isn't going for revenge. Maybe he is billing it that way, but revenge requires an initial wronging, and he was never wronged by the collective Jewish people. Other people referring to him as "seeking revenge" is validating some of his false grievances.
incomingpain 4y ago
Honestly kind of not remembering mobydick right now, but most likely the first one, overcoming the boogeyman, the man eating whale. This in terms of modern news. "Clinton/Biden are Ahab." They were overcoming the monster which is trump. In corrolary if looking at the other political spectrum. It's trump overcoming "the swamp" Both of which are ridiculous but that's the story being spun for either side. When in reality neither is true.