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I don't see how the inability of your dad to repair his truck has anything to do with this reaction " And then we wonder why some people hate EVs, love "rollin

I don't see how the inability of your dad to repair his truck has anything to do with this reaction " And then we wonder why some people hate EVs, love "rolling coal", and dispute climate change. If that happened to you, I could see very quickly why you'd join the haters club." 1.If this is a form of protest it's not working because when environmentists see a truck rolling coal they only want more regulation and enforcement. If it's a protest it's not clear because an alternative explanation could be that the people driving lifted trucks and rolling coal just want to be dicks/annoy people. It's like if I was angry at a bank so i littered at their branches 2. EVs have the same issues with right to repair so why would you hate them? Again similar issues as 1 3. Climate change is occurring and disputing it because you are upset about "limp mode" also doesn't make sense. Who is going to connect these two situations.

gjsman-1000 4y ago
I never said it was my reaction or his, or that I hate EVs (if you read again) - I'm saying that if that "limp mode" happened, to a business owner or someone dependent on their vehicle, I can fully understand why they would start to view the entire environmental movement and everything tied to it as full of BS. It's a reaction (partly rational) caused from how upsetting that event is. > It's like if I was angry at a bank so i littered at their branches Sometimes, if you are angry enough, you protest in the only way that you know of, regardless of how rational it is. No policymaker is going to listen to your concerns, valid though they may be. What else are you going to do? Shut up and take it? I would hope that when we see people who oppose EVs, and "roll coal," that would be a sign for us to ask how they got there, instead of assuming they are idiots.
- neon_electro 4y ago
  But why are you taking your (justified) anger about poorly designed emissions controls systems on fans of EVs?
- themitigating 4y ago
  I'm sorry about tying the behavior to your dad, you mentioned him then switched to discussing why others act a certain way. I didn't read your comment carefully enough The limp mode is not specifically tied to environmental controls. It also happens for high temperature in diffs, transmissions, etc. It protects components. As to a rolling coal protest, people do this to also just be jerks. Basically inflammatory behavior never works as a protest. Politicians are already aware that people don't care about the environment and or hate emissions devices on vehicles. Rolling coal is such an immature junvinile behavior, especially when people target vehicles. Imagine if someone has breathing issues and their car interior is flooded with poorly combusted diesel fumes. It's why whenever I see a lifted truck I just assume the person is an asshole. Should I go up and ask them? What do you think would happen? They would think I'm attacking and judging them and I'm sure their response wouldn't be useful

gjsman-1000 4y ago

I never said it was my reaction or his, or that I hate EVs (if you read again) - I'm saying that if that "limp mode" happened, to a business owner or someone dependent on their vehicle, I can fully understand why they would start to view the entire environmental movement and everything tied to it as full of BS. It's a reaction (partly rational) caused from how upsetting that event is. > It's like if I was angry at a bank so i littered at their branches Sometimes, if you are angry enough, you protest in the only way that you know of, regardless of how rational it is. No policymaker is going to listen to your concerns, valid though they may be. What else are you going to do? Shut up and take it? I would hope that when we see people who oppose EVs, and "roll coal," that would be a sign for us to ask how they got there, instead of assuming they are idiots.

neon_electro 4y ago
But why are you taking your (justified) anger about poorly designed emissions controls systems on fans of EVs?
themitigating 4y ago
I'm sorry about tying the behavior to your dad, you mentioned him then switched to discussing why others act a certain way. I didn't read your comment carefully enough The limp mode is not specifically tied to environmental controls. It also happens for high temperature in diffs, transmissions, etc. It protects components. As to a rolling coal protest, people do this to also just be jerks. Basically inflammatory behavior never works as a protest. Politicians are already aware that people don't care about the environment and or hate emissions devices on vehicles. Rolling coal is such an immature junvinile behavior, especially when people target vehicles. Imagine if someone has breathing issues and their car interior is flooded with poorly combusted diesel fumes. It's why whenever I see a lifted truck I just assume the person is an asshole. Should I go up and ask them? What do you think would happen? They would think I'm attacking and judging them and I'm sure their response wouldn't be useful