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Shifting a large city away from having a lot of car infrastructure sounds extraordinarily complex, expensive, and time consuming. I would potentially support it

Shifting a large city away from having a lot of car infrastructure sounds extraordinarily complex, expensive, and time consuming. I would potentially support it, but surely scooters are cheaper and quicker to implement.

lm28469 4y ago
Sure but one is a step in the right direction while the other adds a pile of shit on top of the existing pile of shit It's like hotfixing a completely broken pile of spaghetti code in prod, it'll save your sunday evening but you're in for 6 months of rewrite anyways
- bombcar 4y ago
  Every single change to a city of any reasonable size is exactly that hot fix, even if it takes months or years to implement (see: Big Dig). Desiring grand unified "fix everything" projects rarely works wonders, whereas small-scope projects over time can improve things. In many suburbs just building sidewalks and bike paths would improve things tremendously.
parineum 4y ago
> extraordinarily complex, expensive, and time consuming Remove all zoning laws and it takes care of itself over time. Zoning is always "keep [thing people want] away from [place where people want it]". All that accomplishes is putting services that people want further away from them.
clairity 4y ago
the first step, repainting lines on roads to add (ideally protected) bike/scooter lanes, is a large but imminently manageable project that can get done quickly. while that's happening, you direct various agencies to favor bike/scooter parking over cars, perhaps introducing necessary legislation to that effect. the harder and longer changes are removing/reducing over-zealous zoning, deceptive environmental lawsuits, and overly-specified building codes. it won't happen in a few months, but a lot can happen in a few years for a motivated electorate.
- the_snooze 4y ago
  >ideally protected Very much the ideal. Unprotected bike lanes end up as parking for gig workers way too often.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    There are ways to fix that, too, if we really wanted to. For example, make it fully legal to do whatsoever you want to an unmanned non-emergency vehicle parked blocking a bike lane. Very soon an industry of car-destroyers would pop up producing amusing videos for everyone to watch.

lm28469 4y ago

Sure but one is a step in the right direction while the other adds a pile of shit on top of the existing pile of shit It's like hotfixing a completely broken pile of spaghetti code in prod, it'll save your sunday evening but you're in for 6 months of rewrite anyways

bombcar 4y ago
Every single change to a city of any reasonable size is exactly that hot fix, even if it takes months or years to implement (see: Big Dig). Desiring grand unified "fix everything" projects rarely works wonders, whereas small-scope projects over time can improve things. In many suburbs just building sidewalks and bike paths would improve things tremendously.

parineum 4y ago

> extraordinarily complex, expensive, and time consuming Remove all zoning laws and it takes care of itself over time. Zoning is always "keep [thing people want] away from [place where people want it]". All that accomplishes is putting services that people want further away from them.

clairity 4y ago

the first step, repainting lines on roads to add (ideally protected) bike/scooter lanes, is a large but imminently manageable project that can get done quickly. while that's happening, you direct various agencies to favor bike/scooter parking over cars, perhaps introducing necessary legislation to that effect. the harder and longer changes are removing/reducing over-zealous zoning, deceptive environmental lawsuits, and overly-specified building codes. it won't happen in a few months, but a lot can happen in a few years for a motivated electorate.

the_snooze 4y ago
>ideally protected Very much the ideal. Unprotected bike lanes end up as parking for gig workers way too often.
- bombcar 4y ago
  There are ways to fix that, too, if we really wanted to. For example, make it fully legal to do whatsoever you want to an unmanned non-emergency vehicle parked blocking a bike lane. Very soon an industry of car-destroyers would pop up producing amusing videos for everyone to watch.