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> The way electric scooters were handled in Atlanta was an absolute nightmare Is there an example of a city who has handled them correctly? Your description de

> The way electric scooters were handled in Atlanta was an absolute nightmare Is there an example of a city who has handled them correctly? Your description describes every implementation I've seen thus far.

dr_dshiv 4y ago
Paris and rome are great examples from my perspective.
- lm28469 4y ago
  > Paris With 2000 escooter accidents and 20+ deaths idk if we can call it a great example
  - CydeWeys 4y ago
    Now do car deaths. If 20 is the threshold for failure then get all those cars off the roads immediately.
    - lm28469 4y ago
      Well, yes go ahead I won't argue against that edit: I checked the numbers, ~6000 accidents, ~40 deaths Knowing that it includes escooters as they're motorised vehicles, and given the number of cars vs escooters I'd say you're muuuuch more likely to get wrecked on a escooter than anything else you could use on the road. Bicycles have the same deaths stats as escooters but in Paris we have 450k+ cars 500k+ bikes 15k escooters
      - CydeWeys 4y ago
        Wow, I'm surprised the annual car deaths in Paris are so low. Your vehicles are much better behaved than they are in the US, where car deaths are rampant. NYC for instance experiences >200 deaths caused by cars/trucks every year, and that's a relatively low rate relative to our population size compared to basically any other large American city (all of which are much more car-dependent).
      - MichaelZuo 4y ago
        Wow so e-scooters in Paris are net negative for society.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    Over what period of time? In a year, those numbers don't strike me as terrible and would need to be compared against the alternatives to draw a directionally valid conclusion.
rockinghigh 4y ago
Zurich and to some extent Paris. The key is to have bike lanes and designated areas where the scooters can be dropped.
- monksy 4y ago
  Chicago has both of these, but it doesn't stop people from still riding them on the sidewalk and acting terrible.
Bluecobra 4y ago
They don't seem to be an issue in Chicago at least from my perspective. It wasn't a free for all though, they had two pilot programs and they are banned from the downtown/Loop area which is the highest density area of the city. Scooters must be attached to a fixed object like a light pole/street sign/etc. Also it helps that Divvy (Lyft) retrofitted their bicycle docks to allow scooter docking as well. https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/05/10/electric-scooters-are-back-for-good-as-divvy-launches-1st-docked-scooter-stations/ https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/05/10/electric-scooters-ar...
pmyteh 4y ago
Seems basically fine in Liverpool. I've not used them, but they don't seem to block pavements and I've only ever seen a few driven by loons. Certainly never felt at risk as a pedestrian or cyclist by one. Their popularity has killed off a previous bike hire scheme, which is a bit of a pity, but they are a lot handier...

dr_dshiv 4y ago

Paris and rome are great examples from my perspective.

lm28469 4y ago
> Paris With 2000 escooter accidents and 20+ deaths idk if we can call it a great example
- CydeWeys 4y ago
  Now do car deaths. If 20 is the threshold for failure then get all those cars off the roads immediately.
  - lm28469 4y ago
    Well, yes go ahead I won't argue against that edit: I checked the numbers, ~6000 accidents, ~40 deaths Knowing that it includes escooters as they're motorised vehicles, and given the number of cars vs escooters I'd say you're muuuuch more likely to get wrecked on a escooter than anything else you could use on the road. Bicycles have the same deaths stats as escooters but in Paris we have 450k+ cars 500k+ bikes 15k escooters
    - CydeWeys 4y ago
      Wow, I'm surprised the annual car deaths in Paris are so low. Your vehicles are much better behaved than they are in the US, where car deaths are rampant. NYC for instance experiences >200 deaths caused by cars/trucks every year, and that's a relatively low rate relative to our population size compared to basically any other large American city (all of which are much more car-dependent).
    - MichaelZuo 4y ago
      Wow so e-scooters in Paris are net negative for society.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  Over what period of time? In a year, those numbers don't strike me as terrible and would need to be compared against the alternatives to draw a directionally valid conclusion.

rockinghigh 4y ago

Zurich and to some extent Paris. The key is to have bike lanes and designated areas where the scooters can be dropped.

monksy 4y ago
Chicago has both of these, but it doesn't stop people from still riding them on the sidewalk and acting terrible.

Bluecobra 4y ago

They don't seem to be an issue in Chicago at least from my perspective. It wasn't a free for all though, they had two pilot programs and they are banned from the downtown/Loop area which is the highest density area of the city. Scooters must be attached to a fixed object like a light pole/street sign/etc. Also it helps that Divvy (Lyft) retrofitted their bicycle docks to allow scooter docking as well. https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/05/10/electric-scooters-are-back-for-good-as-divvy-launches-1st-docked-scooter-stations/ https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/05/10/electric-scooters-ar...

pmyteh 4y ago

Seems basically fine in Liverpool. I've not used them, but they don't seem to block pavements and I've only ever seen a few driven by loons. Certainly never felt at risk as a pedestrian or cyclist by one. Their popularity has killed off a previous bike hire scheme, which is a bit of a pity, but they are a lot handier...