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Race is easy to game too, in fact far easier. I know people who were around 5% Hispanic who would then write Hispanic on college applications. They're technica

Race is easy to game too, in fact far easier. I know people who were around 5% Hispanic who would then write Hispanic on college applications. They're technically not lying. There's also just plenty of people that just straight up lie about their race on college applications. It's not like its being verified at all. I went to high school with a lot of White - Asian mixed kids. None of them wrote Asian on their college applications. I also knew a lot of Indians (like me) who'd select Other in order to avoid being denied opportunities due to being Asian.

kennend3 4y ago
> Race is easy to game too, in fact far easier. Strongly agree. Here (Canada) we have a pandemic of "pretendians" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretendian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretendian People who make fake claims to gain an advantage.
Overtonwindow 4y ago
There was even a United States senator who claimed to be Native American, was awarded academic positions based on that, but a DNA test proved her native ancestry to be so minuscule as to not even be measurable.
- hot_gril 4y ago
  Elizabeth Warren
- nereye 4y ago
  The part about 'was awarded academic positions based on that' is debatable, e.g. this claim was investigated by a newspaper (article below is titled 'Ethnicity not a factor in Elizabeth Warren's rise in law'): https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claiming-native-american-heritage-actually-help-elizabeth-warren-get-ahead-but-complicated/wUZZcrKKEOUv5Spnb7IO0K/story.html https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claim...
  - whimsicalism 4y ago
    I think it is pretty hard to investigate this and prove it false, as such decisions are often very opaque. My guess is if she marked Native American on any application form or was considered by the insitution to be Native American, it had an impact.
josh_fyi 4y ago
How do American colleges police the statement of race?
whimsicalism 4y ago
Realistically, we should eliminate the category of hispanic entirely. It is orthogonal to race and the easiest one to game. My college counselor told me to mark Hispanic because my parents are portuguese. I did not out of principle because I consider myself pretty standard white.

kennend3 4y ago

> Race is easy to game too, in fact far easier. Strongly agree. Here (Canada) we have a pandemic of "pretendians" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretendian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretendian People who make fake claims to gain an advantage.

Overtonwindow 4y ago

There was even a United States senator who claimed to be Native American, was awarded academic positions based on that, but a DNA test proved her native ancestry to be so minuscule as to not even be measurable.

hot_gril 4y ago
Elizabeth Warren
nereye 4y ago
The part about 'was awarded academic positions based on that' is debatable, e.g. this claim was investigated by a newspaper (article below is titled 'Ethnicity not a factor in Elizabeth Warren's rise in law'): https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claiming-native-american-heritage-actually-help-elizabeth-warren-get-ahead-but-complicated/wUZZcrKKEOUv5Spnb7IO0K/story.html https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claim...
- whimsicalism 4y ago
  I think it is pretty hard to investigate this and prove it false, as such decisions are often very opaque. My guess is if she marked Native American on any application form or was considered by the insitution to be Native American, it had an impact.

josh_fyi 4y ago

How do American colleges police the statement of race?

whimsicalism 4y ago

Realistically, we should eliminate the category of hispanic entirely. It is orthogonal to race and the easiest one to game. My college counselor told me to mark Hispanic because my parents are portuguese. I did not out of principle because I consider myself pretty standard white.