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The Supreme Court is a political organization that likes to pretend it's something else. I think that's always been the case and I agree it isn't inherently one

by eli 4y ago

The Supreme Court is a political organization that likes to pretend it's something else. I think that's always been the case and I agree it isn't inherently one party or the other. That said, with the notable exception of the Warren court, SCOTUS has been conservative for its whole history.

SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
>That said, with the notable exception of the Warren court, SCOTUS has been conservative for its whole history. I think that depends a lot on one's perspective. If you're very far-left and support all the equity you can dream up, then yes I see how one might think that. I disagree, but still... If that were objectively true, I don't think it's the damning claim you may have meant it to be if you consider the overall history of the USA and contributions to the world.
puffoflogic 4y ago
Constitutional reality is right-biased.
- kube-system 4y ago
  The US constitution and the bill of rights are based on classical liberal ideas, like inalienable rights, the consent of the governed, secularism, etc.
  - puffoflogic 4y ago
    Those are all right-wing ideas. "Classical liberalism" is a misleadingly named far-right ideology; it's diametrically opposed to progressivism.
    - kube-system 4y ago
      Not at all. Those ideas were formed in a time when they were not the norm. State religion is about as conservative as you can get, it has existed for all of human history, and was the default until very recently. When the US constitution was adopted it was a progressive change. However, yesterday's progressivism is always today's status quo.
kube-system 4y ago
SCOTUS has frequently made decisions that overturned a conservative prescedent in favor of a liberal one. Many 'landmark' SCOTUS cases are exactly this. Take a short browse down this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_landmark_court_decisions_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_landmark_court_decisio...

by eli 4y ago

SV_BubbleTime 4y ago

>That said, with the notable exception of the Warren court, SCOTUS has been conservative for its whole history. I think that depends a lot on one's perspective. If you're very far-left and support all the equity you can dream up, then yes I see how one might think that. I disagree, but still... If that were objectively true, I don't think it's the damning claim you may have meant it to be if you consider the overall history of the USA and contributions to the world.

puffoflogic 4y ago

Constitutional reality is right-biased.

kube-system 4y ago
The US constitution and the bill of rights are based on classical liberal ideas, like inalienable rights, the consent of the governed, secularism, etc.
- puffoflogic 4y ago
  Those are all right-wing ideas. "Classical liberalism" is a misleadingly named far-right ideology; it's diametrically opposed to progressivism.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    Not at all. Those ideas were formed in a time when they were not the norm. State religion is about as conservative as you can get, it has existed for all of human history, and was the default until very recently. When the US constitution was adopted it was a progressive change. However, yesterday's progressivism is always today's status quo.

kube-system 4y ago

SCOTUS has frequently made decisions that overturned a conservative prescedent in favor of a liberal one. Many 'landmark' SCOTUS cases are exactly this. Take a short browse down this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_landmark_court_decisions_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_landmark_court_decisio...