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> I think the point about emotional distance is under-appreciated. I think you’re presenting your personal aesthetic preferences as more universal than they re
by klodolph 4y ago
> I think the point about emotional distance is under-appreciated.
I think you’re presenting your personal aesthetic preferences as more universal than they really are. The wide angle lens gets you physically closer to a subject, not emotionally closer. It can be close and intimate, or your subjects can feel like you’re invading their personal space, or the pictures can end up looking a bit gonzo (think Vice Magazine). It’s not an automatic win, it’s just an artistic choice.
I just think here that “get closer to your subject to create an emotionally close picture” is a bit reductive, and typical of the kind of advice you’d see on hobbyist forums that fails to really explore what “emotional closeness” means in photographic terms.
> […] you can see it by frequent use of monochrome/sepia coloring that mimics the nostalgic look of old photos […]
I think the article is actually from 2002 and it’s just been updated. The author may have just shot those pictures on B&W film in the first place.
> When you are enjoying family time, especially with children, it's more important to 1) get something in frame in any way possible fast while 2) still being in the moment yourself than with other types of photography.
That’s important to you. I think Sontag would probably have something to say about the experience of trying to simultaneously (1) be present in the moment and (2) stay vigilant so you can capture the good moments on film. You are trying to participate in your family activities and produce photographic evidence of moments of connectedness that your family experiences. That desire, and your personal style, lead you to prefer wide angle lenses.
The catch is—not everyone takes pictures that way!
I got a new camera with a 50mm f/1.4 long ago, and promptly tested it by shooting two or three rolls of film with my family over a couple hours. If you shoot enough pictures, people may start to ignore the camera, which is what happened. I got the pictures I wanted—which are records of my family looks at home, when they are not posing themselves for a picture.
> If you haven't tried wide-all-the-time, try.
I’ve definitely tried it. The normal lens for one of my cameras got damaged, so I used mostly a wide lens with it for a couple years.
I’ve tried a lot of different equipment combinations, sometimes using rentals or used equipment. Some of my favorite pictures are ones I took of family members with a simple 35mm prime. Some are candids that I took with a 110mm prime and a tripod…
> As to focus, you don't even need to focus many ~25mm lenses if you shoot with moderately closed aperture […]
I have a prosumer DSLR from several years ago. It takes about 150ms to focus and take a picture, from when you press the button. This is fast enough, for sure. If you understand how AF works, and have a camera with a good AF implementation and enough AF sensors, it’s very fast.
> I thought 40-50mm would be a nice middle ground, but it doesn't give the really pronounced separation, bokeh and aesthetics of longer lenses like 75mm […]
It depends on your budget and which system you are using.
With a high budget, you can go for the “big glass” look, but with a more modest budget, the humble 50mm f/1.8 is available for under $200 and gives excellent bokeh / background separation. The difference is not so big—the 50mm f/1.8 has a 28mm aperture, and a high-end 85mm f/1.4 has a 60mm aperture. That’s about a factor of 2x difference in bokeh, but a 10x difference in price.
It sounds like this is just not your style, but it’s not like any one lens would work for everyone—just like getting a 28mm or 35mm equivalent wouldn’t solve everyone’s problems.
- throwaway290 4y agoI use the term "emotional distance" (or lack thereof) to describe the feeling of being present/removed from the scene. There are other terms for it too. To argue that a wide close-up doesn't do it and a long lens does is like arguing that a sepia photo evokes less of a nostalgic feeling compared to "normal" color. Yes, people are individual but there's a baseline. > Sontag We are not talking about professional photographers here I think > 50mm f/1.4 In my experience, a full-frame lens with these characteristics would either be huge and heavy or cost upwards from about US$500 new. > 150ms to focus In good light. Vs 0ms for a wide lens. > excellent bokeh Maybe to you > just like getting a 28mm or 35mm equivalent wouldn’t solve everyone’s problems Just like getting a 35mm or 50mm wouldn't. Wide lenses have important advantages and longer lenses have objective limitations. I listed them to compensate for one-sided article. Apart from focal length affecting presence/emotional distance, which I suspect you genuinely haven't really thought about much, this is probably an empty argument...
- klodolph 4y ago> > Sontag > We are not talking about professional photographers here I think Sontag wrote essays which are collected in the 1977 book "On Photography" (and a followup in 2003, "Regarding the Pain of Others"). It's not specifically about professional photography, but about photography in general--family vacation pictures, crime scene photos, etc. I like the essays because they provide some crucial insights to help me figure out questions like, "Why do I take pictures at all? What kind of pictures do I want to take? What purpose do these pictures serve? How should pictures represent my life?" > In my experience, a full-frame lens with these characteristics would either be huge and heavy or cost upwards from about US$500 new. This is easy enough to disprove by looking at the B&H catalog. You can find large and bulky 50mm f/1.4 lenses. There are also small & light ones. Generally speaking, there are a lot of different lens designs out there, and normal primes have more variety than most. You can find expensive and bulky designs, or simple and light designs, with various tradeoffs. For about the same price, you can get a 28mm f/2.8, which is typically larger, physically. > In good light. I have had problems with autofocus in poor light, when it's nighttime, and the lights are off, and I'm trying to take pictures of my cats. Anything less extreme and the autofocus works accurately and quickly. Then again, if I tried to take a picture of my cats at night with a wide-angle lens, I'd never get the pictures I wanted. > Apart from focal length affecting presence/emotional distance, which I suspect you genuinely haven't really thought about much, Don't be rude. I disagree with you. Saying that you suspect I "haven't really thought about [it]" is inappropriate. You also expressed the mistaken suspicion that I hadn't ever used wide angle primes--perhaps, just perhaps, you can't explain away our disagreement by saying that I'm ignorant, or hypothesizing that I'd agree with you if I just spent the time to think about it.