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"Where the complaint does succeed is in showing an intense disgust for the social justice movement. So, don't donate to Wikimedia if you are also repulsed by th

by fleddr 4y ago

"Where the complaint does succeed is in showing an intense disgust for the social justice movement. So, don't donate to Wikimedia if you are also repulsed by the thought of (a small amount of money going towards) young, non-white, possibly non-male people being encouraged to (& see themselves as allowed to) participate in science and journalism. Go buy a copy of Encarta." Thanks for making the debate worse. It's basically "do what I say or you're a racist".

feoren 4y ago
There are two main arguments under debate here. One argument is "Wikipedia is guilt-tripping users into donating without making it clear they don't need the money for hosting, and it's more likely to go to Wikimedia-given grants." That argument is completely fair. Lots of evidence has been given about their finances and it's pretty obvious that this is a completely legitimate criticism of Wikimedia and its fundraising style. The second argument is "YOUR money is going to support GAY and BLACK people!!!!!!! WOKE POLITICS! CULTURE WARS!!!!!!!" That second argument is absolute utter bullshit nonsense supported by some of the worst cherry-picked examples I've ever seen and backed by the same trite get-out-of-racism-free dog-whistle jargon that we've seen over and over again from overtly racist groups. That is the argument GP is criticizing. Yes, the people who get infuriated at the idea of nonprofits supporting black women in STEM are indeed racists. That's what the word means.
- fleddr 4y ago
  You're doing the exact same thing: reverting to instinctive binary positions and name-calling. Throwing away the baby with the bath water. The thing you accuse the original source of, you're mirroring. Sure enough, there really are people whom dislike minorities altogether for whatever twisted reasons. Awful people, no argument here. Yet you're looking over a sizable group who have no issue with minorities, they have an issue with equity politics, which flies in the face of equality and is racist and sexist by design. People whom find it incredibly patronizing and insulting to call an entire demographic "marginalized". Those people are not conservative nor are they racist. We use to call these people progressive. Center to center-left, classic liberalism. Many aren't on board at all with the postmodernist version of progressive politics. Yet they are lumped in with "racists", this is how you keep a culture war going. Just keep doubling down, and keep losing ever more support.

by fleddr 4y ago

feoren 4y ago

There are two main arguments under debate here. One argument is "Wikipedia is guilt-tripping users into donating without making it clear they don't need the money for hosting, and it's more likely to go to Wikimedia-given grants." That argument is completely fair. Lots of evidence has been given about their finances and it's pretty obvious that this is a completely legitimate criticism of Wikimedia and its fundraising style. The second argument is "YOUR money is going to support GAY and BLACK people!!!!!!! WOKE POLITICS! CULTURE WARS!!!!!!!" That second argument is absolute utter bullshit nonsense supported by some of the worst cherry-picked examples I've ever seen and backed by the same trite get-out-of-racism-free dog-whistle jargon that we've seen over and over again from overtly racist groups. That is the argument GP is criticizing. Yes, the people who get infuriated at the idea of nonprofits supporting black women in STEM are indeed racists. That's what the word means.

fleddr 4y ago
You're doing the exact same thing: reverting to instinctive binary positions and name-calling. Throwing away the baby with the bath water. The thing you accuse the original source of, you're mirroring. Sure enough, there really are people whom dislike minorities altogether for whatever twisted reasons. Awful people, no argument here. Yet you're looking over a sizable group who have no issue with minorities, they have an issue with equity politics, which flies in the face of equality and is racist and sexist by design. People whom find it incredibly patronizing and insulting to call an entire demographic "marginalized". Those people are not conservative nor are they racist. We use to call these people progressive. Center to center-left, classic liberalism. Many aren't on board at all with the postmodernist version of progressive politics. Yet they are lumped in with "racists", this is how you keep a culture war going. Just keep doubling down, and keep losing ever more support.