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I wouldn't be surprised if they swap out liquid and its json based layout config .. despite they keep saying everything is doing great. New gen developer probab

I wouldn't be surprised if they swap out liquid and its json based layout config .. despite they keep saying everything is doing great. New gen developer probably got gaslit by React vibe and demands change (admittedly I made this shit up)

btown 4y ago
This acquisition is very much in the context of https://hydrogen.shopify.dev/roadmap/#first-quarter https://hydrogen.shopify.dev/roadmap/#first-quarter and https://github.com/Shopify/hydrogen https://github.com/Shopify/hydrogen - Shopify very much wants to move to the modern era. And to address your point, it's not gaslighting to say that React enables interactions that would be essentially impossible if restricted to server-side templating. But there's certainly some degree to which trendiness and a desire to attract developers into their ecosystem is driving this as well.
- Existenceblinks 4y ago
  Remix approach which is Shopify is going with is having data loader code separated from client side code. So it could be .. Solid.js or vanilla.js that enables the interaction part. It's always has been this way, this time it's just writing html renderer in js.
BryanBeshore 4y ago
FWIW: Tobi mentioned that if he had to do it all over again, he would still build the admin and business logic of Shopify in Ruby on Rails, but would probably build their liquid rendering in Rust or something like it https://twitter.com/tobi/status/1585459224506671104?s=20&t=0V3U4MDFfXKWUzMTIH-X-g https://twitter.com/tobi/status/1585459224506671104?s=20&t=0...
- reducesuffering 4y ago
  Probably only because that's what he's familiar with. Rails has the most ubiquitous scale problems that large co's keep migrating away from, and new devs are trending away from it. Shopify investing into the JS/TS backend world is just another domino falling of Ruby/Rails descending into Perl-like prevalence.
  - weatherlite 4y ago
    They are spending tens of millions building a ruby JIT so I am not sure you are painting an accurate picture here...
    - reducesuffering 4y ago
      So they recognize they're having problems with speed. Dropbox also spent years trying to JIT Python faster with Pyston, and were unsuccessful. They now are leveraging Rust and Go instead.
      - skinnymuch 4y ago
        how do you keep up with developments like this? I suddenly see how interested I am in what stacks companies are using and more so what are they going to be using in the near to mid term future.
        reducesuffering 4y ago
        For trends: StackOverflow Trends: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/trends?tags=ruby%2Ctypescript%2Cgo%2Crust https://insights.stackoverflow.com/trends?tags=ruby%2Ctypesc... GitHub Star History: https://star-history.com/ https://star-history.com/ NPM trends: https://npmtrends.com/ https://npmtrends.com/ For specific co tech stacks: Tech Co migrations: https://github.com/kokizzu/list-of-tech-migrations https://github.com/kokizzu/list-of-tech-migrations https://stackshare.io/wikipedia/wikipedia https://stackshare.io/wikipedia/wikipedia https://builtwith.com/ https://builtwith.com/ Company GitHub page And HN in general, like surfacing this Shopify acquisition.
        ativzzz 4y ago
        I imagine following the tech blogs of certain companies - you can read about dropbox's engine rewrite here - https://dropbox.tech/infrastructure/rewriting-the-heart-of-our-sync-engine https://dropbox.tech/infrastructure/rewriting-the-heart-of-o...
      - 4y ago
- cultofmetatron 4y ago
  elixir/phoenix gives you a lot of the same productivity as rails with vastly higher performance. the big benefit to rails these days is the massive ecosystem of drop in gems.
  - cutler 4y ago
    Modulecounts.com shows Ruby gem output grinding to a halt. As Ruby's popularity declines a lot of gems will be unmaintained. It's a shame as I rate Ruby my favourite language after Clojure.

btown 4y ago

This acquisition is very much in the context of https://hydrogen.shopify.dev/roadmap/#first-quarter https://hydrogen.shopify.dev/roadmap/#first-quarter and https://github.com/Shopify/hydrogen https://github.com/Shopify/hydrogen - Shopify very much wants to move to the modern era. And to address your point, it's not gaslighting to say that React enables interactions that would be essentially impossible if restricted to server-side templating. But there's certainly some degree to which trendiness and a desire to attract developers into their ecosystem is driving this as well.

Existenceblinks 4y ago
Remix approach which is Shopify is going with is having data loader code separated from client side code. So it could be .. Solid.js or vanilla.js that enables the interaction part. It's always has been this way, this time it's just writing html renderer in js.

BryanBeshore 4y ago

FWIW: Tobi mentioned that if he had to do it all over again, he would still build the admin and business logic of Shopify in Ruby on Rails, but would probably build their liquid rendering in Rust or something like it https://twitter.com/tobi/status/1585459224506671104?s=20&t=0V3U4MDFfXKWUzMTIH-X-g https://twitter.com/tobi/status/1585459224506671104?s=20&t=0...

reducesuffering 4y ago
Probably only because that's what he's familiar with. Rails has the most ubiquitous scale problems that large co's keep migrating away from, and new devs are trending away from it. Shopify investing into the JS/TS backend world is just another domino falling of Ruby/Rails descending into Perl-like prevalence.
- weatherlite 4y ago
  They are spending tens of millions building a ruby JIT so I am not sure you are painting an accurate picture here...
  - reducesuffering 4y ago
    So they recognize they're having problems with speed. Dropbox also spent years trying to JIT Python faster with Pyston, and were unsuccessful. They now are leveraging Rust and Go instead.
    - skinnymuch 4y ago
      how do you keep up with developments like this? I suddenly see how interested I am in what stacks companies are using and more so what are they going to be using in the near to mid term future.
      - reducesuffering 4y ago
        For trends: StackOverflow Trends: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/trends?tags=ruby%2Ctypescript%2Cgo%2Crust https://insights.stackoverflow.com/trends?tags=ruby%2Ctypesc... GitHub Star History: https://star-history.com/ https://star-history.com/ NPM trends: https://npmtrends.com/ https://npmtrends.com/ For specific co tech stacks: Tech Co migrations: https://github.com/kokizzu/list-of-tech-migrations https://github.com/kokizzu/list-of-tech-migrations https://stackshare.io/wikipedia/wikipedia https://stackshare.io/wikipedia/wikipedia https://builtwith.com/ https://builtwith.com/ Company GitHub page And HN in general, like surfacing this Shopify acquisition.
      - ativzzz 4y ago
        I imagine following the tech blogs of certain companies - you can read about dropbox's engine rewrite here - https://dropbox.tech/infrastructure/rewriting-the-heart-of-our-sync-engine https://dropbox.tech/infrastructure/rewriting-the-heart-of-o...
    - 4y ago
cultofmetatron 4y ago
elixir/phoenix gives you a lot of the same productivity as rails with vastly higher performance. the big benefit to rails these days is the massive ecosystem of drop in gems.
- cutler 4y ago
  Modulecounts.com shows Ruby gem output grinding to a halt. As Ruby's popularity declines a lot of gems will be unmaintained. It's a shame as I rate Ruby my favourite language after Clojure.