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What’s with the contempt for twitter employees in this thread? I really hope Musk doesn’t come for your job next

notacoward 4y ago
> I really hope Musk doesn’t come for your job next Part of me hopes he does, because that's the only way the Tall Poppy Syndrome folks have any chance of learning. But most of me has more empathy than they do.
- Ancalagon 4y ago
  Feels like your painting a picture of these folks when you more than likely have no idea who they are or how they act. More than likely they’re fairly normal employees. Granted they make more than most but that doesn’t mean they have “Tall Poppy Syndrome”. The ONLY bad guys in this scenario are Musk and his yes-men
  - notacoward 4y ago
    You seem to be misunderstanding who I'm talking about, or even what TPS is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome The Tall Poppy Syndrome folks are not those at Twitter. I know a few, and respect them, and have no problem with them making more than most (as I did myself when I worked at FB). No, the TPS folks are those right here bashing Twitter employees, as you yourself complained about. I don't know who they are, but I do know how they act because they're acting out right here in front of us. > The ONLY bad guys in this scenario are Musk and his yes-men So you no longer have a problem with the haters? What changed in the last two hours?
    - Ancalagon 4y ago
      Apologies I misunderstood. And when I was remarking on Musk I meant those actually involved in the lay-offs.
phpisthebest 4y ago
I can tell you the viral "day in the Life" video that was going around in the last week or so did not help the situation much.
- Ancalagon 4y ago
  Wasn't that a Meta employee?
- tomjakubowski 4y ago
  Loathe to give outrage reposters views but here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkQbHyLE6Tc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkQbHyLE6Tc The video was posted by a remote financial analyst who was visiting the SF office for the first time. She describes what amounts to maybe an hour of break time, including lunch -- the rest of her day is meetings and working time. The perks are nice, maybe too nice you could argue, but the notion that the video proves she (and other Twitter workers) don't do any "real work" is idiotic. It's a short video, a tiny sample of her work day -- why would she dedicate any portion of it to showing her crunching numbers in Excel or whatever?
  - tomjakubowski 4y ago
    Worth noting also that the poster has scrubbed her online presence, I would guess due to incessant harassment. Really stupid all around.
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    This is not the first time a twitter employee has implied a light work schedule. There were posts when the first Elon buyout rumor came around about twitter employee reporting remote work amounting to around 30 hours a week.. This just adds fuel to the fire that for the most part Twitter has a bunch of part time employee getting very high full time wages. Now there is a large segment of the population that believe 32 hour work weeks should be standard, if your one of those then I suppose their posts will not spark much respond, but for most people that will spark strong negative emotions. > She describes what amounts to maybe an hour of break time, including lunch -- the rest of her day is meetings and working time. then it should not be labeled as "a day in the life" Watching the video the person comes away with an impression this is more than just 1 hour of the day. I also suspect you are giving this person far too much credit for the amount of work they did that day. I am guessing it was more like 1 hour of real work, couple hours of meetings, and the rest socializing / using the "amenities"
swozey 4y ago
The contempt for them on twitter is even worse. A ton of anonymous twitter accounts laughing at people losing their jobs.
- bigmattystyles 4y ago
  Meh, being laughed at by people who couldn't have gotten hired to work at twitter short of buying the company is really easy to dismiss.
- chasd00 4y ago
  it's not apples to apples but the other energy firms did the same to Enron employees when they were walking out with their boxes of stuff. iirc HR departments in competing firms put out gleeful notices that former Enron employees would not be considered for open positions. Everyone loves to point and laugh when someone a tick up on the perceived totem pole falls down a few notches.
- pyronik19 4y ago
- JasserInicide 4y ago
  Can't blame them honestly. There was that Project Veritas video where they talked to some employees and they don't even hide how big of assholes they are.
caeril 4y ago
Because 1. Twitter, the core application, is literally a weekend junior dev project. The only engineers on the payroll who provide actual value, out of THOUSANDS, are those who scale the application and infrastructure. The vast majority of these people have been paid huge comp packages for doing effectively nothing. Sure, there are auxilliary applications like the ad platform, business intelligence, etc, but there is no world in which you need the enormous engineering staff they have to build or run these. Most of these people are useless. 2. Twitter employees have been complicit in curbing free speech, in a highly partisan manner, for years now. > I really hope Musk doesn’t come for your job next I suspect that if you provide actual, tangible value and you're not actively silencing people for using the wrong pronouns, you'll be safe.
- Ancalagon 4y ago
  How is broadly laying off 25% of the org ever going to have the precision of pointed firings for excessive pronoun use? Even real-value is hard to measure at that scale.
- yupper32 4y ago
  Calling their ad platform "auxiliary" when it's their core business is hilarious. You are completely out of your element here.
secondcoming 4y ago
This phenomenon didn’t begin with Twitter. Remember the whole ‘Learn to Code’ thing?

> I really hope Musk doesn’t come for your job next Part of me hopes he does, because that's the only way the Tall Poppy Syndrome folks have any chance of learning. But most of me has more empathy than they do.

Ancalagon 4y ago
Feels like your painting a picture of these folks when you more than likely have no idea who they are or how they act. More than likely they’re fairly normal employees. Granted they make more than most but that doesn’t mean they have “Tall Poppy Syndrome”. The ONLY bad guys in this scenario are Musk and his yes-men
- notacoward 4y ago
  You seem to be misunderstanding who I'm talking about, or even what TPS is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome The Tall Poppy Syndrome folks are not those at Twitter. I know a few, and respect them, and have no problem with them making more than most (as I did myself when I worked at FB). No, the TPS folks are those right here bashing Twitter employees, as you yourself complained about. I don't know who they are, but I do know how they act because they're acting out right here in front of us. > The ONLY bad guys in this scenario are Musk and his yes-men So you no longer have a problem with the haters? What changed in the last two hours?
  - Ancalagon 4y ago
    Apologies I misunderstood. And when I was remarking on Musk I meant those actually involved in the lay-offs.

phpisthebest 4y ago

I can tell you the viral "day in the Life" video that was going around in the last week or so did not help the situation much.

Ancalagon 4y ago
Wasn't that a Meta employee?
tomjakubowski 4y ago
Loathe to give outrage reposters views but here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkQbHyLE6Tc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkQbHyLE6Tc The video was posted by a remote financial analyst who was visiting the SF office for the first time. She describes what amounts to maybe an hour of break time, including lunch -- the rest of her day is meetings and working time. The perks are nice, maybe too nice you could argue, but the notion that the video proves she (and other Twitter workers) don't do any "real work" is idiotic. It's a short video, a tiny sample of her work day -- why would she dedicate any portion of it to showing her crunching numbers in Excel or whatever?
- tomjakubowski 4y ago
  Worth noting also that the poster has scrubbed her online presence, I would guess due to incessant harassment. Really stupid all around.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  This is not the first time a twitter employee has implied a light work schedule. There were posts when the first Elon buyout rumor came around about twitter employee reporting remote work amounting to around 30 hours a week.. This just adds fuel to the fire that for the most part Twitter has a bunch of part time employee getting very high full time wages. Now there is a large segment of the population that believe 32 hour work weeks should be standard, if your one of those then I suppose their posts will not spark much respond, but for most people that will spark strong negative emotions. > She describes what amounts to maybe an hour of break time, including lunch -- the rest of her day is meetings and working time. then it should not be labeled as "a day in the life" Watching the video the person comes away with an impression this is more than just 1 hour of the day. I also suspect you are giving this person far too much credit for the amount of work they did that day. I am guessing it was more like 1 hour of real work, couple hours of meetings, and the rest socializing / using the "amenities"

swozey 4y ago

The contempt for them on twitter is even worse. A ton of anonymous twitter accounts laughing at people losing their jobs.

bigmattystyles 4y ago
Meh, being laughed at by people who couldn't have gotten hired to work at twitter short of buying the company is really easy to dismiss.
chasd00 4y ago
it's not apples to apples but the other energy firms did the same to Enron employees when they were walking out with their boxes of stuff. iirc HR departments in competing firms put out gleeful notices that former Enron employees would not be considered for open positions. Everyone loves to point and laugh when someone a tick up on the perceived totem pole falls down a few notches.
pyronik19 4y ago
JasserInicide 4y ago
Can't blame them honestly. There was that Project Veritas video where they talked to some employees and they don't even hide how big of assholes they are.

caeril 4y ago

Because 1. Twitter, the core application, is literally a weekend junior dev project. The only engineers on the payroll who provide actual value, out of THOUSANDS, are those who scale the application and infrastructure. The vast majority of these people have been paid huge comp packages for doing effectively nothing. Sure, there are auxilliary applications like the ad platform, business intelligence, etc, but there is no world in which you need the enormous engineering staff they have to build or run these. Most of these people are useless. 2. Twitter employees have been complicit in curbing free speech, in a highly partisan manner, for years now. > I really hope Musk doesn’t come for your job next I suspect that if you provide actual, tangible value and you're not actively silencing people for using the wrong pronouns, you'll be safe.

Ancalagon 4y ago
How is broadly laying off 25% of the org ever going to have the precision of pointed firings for excessive pronoun use? Even real-value is hard to measure at that scale.
yupper32 4y ago
Calling their ad platform "auxiliary" when it's their core business is hilarious. You are completely out of your element here.

secondcoming 4y ago

This phenomenon didn’t begin with Twitter. Remember the whole ‘Learn to Code’ thing?