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Help me out - your favorite hate site is getting trash talked and doxxed. Please fill out this questionnaire. Are you: Upset that people can spread rumors you

Help me out - your favorite hate site is getting trash talked and doxxed. Please fill out this questionnaire. Are you: Upset that people can spread rumors you think are false? Upset that there are real world consequences to the stuff that's being said about you, independent of the truth of it? Angry that you are labeled as nazi sympathizer because you hang out on a site that has a lot of nazis? Embarassed that you subscribe to a belief summarized as "why are you upset? free speech!", and now you find yourself not championing the free speech of those attacking you? Aware of the delicious irony of your position?

HereIGoAgain 4y ago
"Has a lot of nazis"?? Do you have proof of this? (I mean I don't doubt that there is someone who does since the site has a pretty big user base and doesn't censor speech, let alone speakers for opinions but...)
nervlord 4y ago
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EarlKing 4y ago
Ah, very good sir. While we're filling out questionnaires, perhaps you could indulge us in answering a few questions yourself: 1. Why are you defending someone who tries to get children access to hormones without the knowledge of their parents or doctors? 2. Can you name one person who demonstrably offed themselves because of what goes on at KF? Please provide evidence. 3. Is it 'hate' to document peoples' horrible activities using their own words? 4. Would you be this snarky if someone was saying these sorts of things about, say, HN? 5. Are you upset that there are people in this world who don't blithely accept the word of Wikipedia and journalists but rather engage in investigative journalism themselves? Thanks!
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- sophacles 4y ago
  I see, afraid or unable to answer.... redirecting in seeming bad faith. I'll go ahead and mark you down in the "cowardly kiwifool" column - that seems to be most of you. Strange. Anyway, if you want to engage my questions I'll consider engaging in yours. (I use the same policy with you lot that I use with drug dealers, car salespeople and other unsavory hucksters - show me the goods then I'll give you what you're asking for if it's a reasonable exchange.)
  - EarlKing 4y ago
    Uh huh. Let's play: > Help me out - your favorite hate site is getting trash talked and doxxed. Please fill out this questionnaire. Is TMZ a hate site? Is anything a hate site just because people assert it without proof? Do you believe everything you are told by journalists? > Upset that people can spread rumors you think are false? Is it really spreading rumors when they're using your own posts? > Upset that there are real world consequences to the stuff that's being said about you, independent of the truth of it? So are you suggesting that nobody should ever say anything at all because someone might take it the wrong way? That sure sounds like giving in the to the Heckler's Veto. Perhaps you mean that there should be some forum for adjudicating disputes of fact about a person's reputation? In that case there is in fact just such a forum: It's called a court of law. If KF posters have said anything defamatory then feel free to try to sue them. Go ahead. > Angry that you are labeled as nazi sympathizer because you hang out on a site that has a lot of nazis? OBJECTION! Asserts facts not in evidence. Just because you assert a place has X in it does not mean that it has X in it. I mean, if we're going by that standard, I can point out that anyone who hangs out on Discord must be a furry and a pedophile because of... oh wait. > Embarassed that you subscribe to a belief summarized as "why are you upset? free speech!", and now you find yourself not championing the free speech of those attacking you? It is not "free speech" to engage in tortious interference. Do you understand the difference? > Aware of the delicious irony of your position? There is no irony. Only Zuul.
    - sophacles 4y ago
      This is why I demand to see the goods up front. If you don't want to answer my questions, that's cool, but there's no reason to answer yours then. I'm sure you are aware of this, but I never said anything about legality, or even talked about it. Looks like you're going with the classic scumbag fallback of "its not illegal" before I even suggested you did anything wrong. Kinda sad that your default position isn't that you're in the right, just that you aren't breaking the law. I'll leave you to your day with this: it might be worth your time to consider activities that benefit the world rather than just plodding from one technically legal trollfarm to the next - most people find the rewards of being useful quite nice. Cheers and good luck!

HereIGoAgain 4y ago

"Has a lot of nazis"?? Do you have proof of this? (I mean I don't doubt that there is someone who does since the site has a pretty big user base and doesn't censor speech, let alone speakers for opinions but...)

nervlord 4y ago

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EarlKing 4y ago

Ah, very good sir. While we're filling out questionnaires, perhaps you could indulge us in answering a few questions yourself: 1. Why are you defending someone who tries to get children access to hormones without the knowledge of their parents or doctors? 2. Can you name one person who demonstrably offed themselves because of what goes on at KF? Please provide evidence. 3. Is it 'hate' to document peoples' horrible activities using their own words? 4. Would you be this snarky if someone was saying these sorts of things about, say, HN? 5. Are you upset that there are people in this world who don't blithely accept the word of Wikipedia and journalists but rather engage in investigative journalism themselves? Thanks!

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sophacles 4y ago
I see, afraid or unable to answer.... redirecting in seeming bad faith. I'll go ahead and mark you down in the "cowardly kiwifool" column - that seems to be most of you. Strange. Anyway, if you want to engage my questions I'll consider engaging in yours. (I use the same policy with you lot that I use with drug dealers, car salespeople and other unsavory hucksters - show me the goods then I'll give you what you're asking for if it's a reasonable exchange.)
- EarlKing 4y ago
  Uh huh. Let's play: > Help me out - your favorite hate site is getting trash talked and doxxed. Please fill out this questionnaire. Is TMZ a hate site? Is anything a hate site just because people assert it without proof? Do you believe everything you are told by journalists? > Upset that people can spread rumors you think are false? Is it really spreading rumors when they're using your own posts? > Upset that there are real world consequences to the stuff that's being said about you, independent of the truth of it? So are you suggesting that nobody should ever say anything at all because someone might take it the wrong way? That sure sounds like giving in the to the Heckler's Veto. Perhaps you mean that there should be some forum for adjudicating disputes of fact about a person's reputation? In that case there is in fact just such a forum: It's called a court of law. If KF posters have said anything defamatory then feel free to try to sue them. Go ahead. > Angry that you are labeled as nazi sympathizer because you hang out on a site that has a lot of nazis? OBJECTION! Asserts facts not in evidence. Just because you assert a place has X in it does not mean that it has X in it. I mean, if we're going by that standard, I can point out that anyone who hangs out on Discord must be a furry and a pedophile because of... oh wait. > Embarassed that you subscribe to a belief summarized as "why are you upset? free speech!", and now you find yourself not championing the free speech of those attacking you? It is not "free speech" to engage in tortious interference. Do you understand the difference? > Aware of the delicious irony of your position? There is no irony. Only Zuul.
  - sophacles 4y ago
    This is why I demand to see the goods up front. If you don't want to answer my questions, that's cool, but there's no reason to answer yours then. I'm sure you are aware of this, but I never said anything about legality, or even talked about it. Looks like you're going with the classic scumbag fallback of "its not illegal" before I even suggested you did anything wrong. Kinda sad that your default position isn't that you're in the right, just that you aren't breaking the law. I'll leave you to your day with this: it might be worth your time to consider activities that benefit the world rather than just plodding from one technically legal trollfarm to the next - most people find the rewards of being useful quite nice. Cheers and good luck!