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I don't follow the logic that RIPE has to acknowledge Russia's claim on Crimea as legit to do this. As far as I can tell, the following statements are true ind
by cmeacham98 4y ago
I don't follow the logic that RIPE has to acknowledge Russia's claim on Crimea as legit to do this.
As far as I can tell, the following statements are true independent of who you think rightly owns Crimea:
1. RIPE is the ultimate authority over IP address assignments in Europe as recognized by the relevant governments here
2. The Crimea region became served by different ISPs than before (for whatever reason)
3. RIPE exercised its authority to transfer Crimea's IP address assignments to the company(s) currently serving the region
- malfist 4y agoI agree with you. The GP's argument is like saying I mailed a letter addressed to "Crimea, Russia" and the post office delivered it, therefor the US (or NATO as their claim makes a few jumps) recognizes Russia's claim to Crimea. RIPE doesn't have the authority to make that decision. Just as the friendly person at the post office making sure my letter gets where I meant it to, doesn't either.
- nirimda 4y agoAs far as I know most countries do or at least did in fact refuse to deliver mail addressed to "Crimea, Russia". In order for it to get through, you either need someone to bounce it within Russia or to disguise it from your national post office but not from the Russian post office (no doubt this is easy: just omitting "Crimea" or using the Cyrillic alphabet would probably work). In the same way, they refuse to accept a Russian passport issued to someone in connection with Crimea. These are not recognised as purely domestic matters; the statehood is intimately connected with the territory it controls.
- MichaelZuo 4y agoWell there are a couple of contradictions, though they don't imply that Russia's claim is recognized, just that Ukraine's claim is no longer recognized. For example, their accounting department is likely accepting money from companies that have no legal basis under Ukrainian law for activities in Crimea. Unless they've waived all fees.
- cmeacham98 4y agoCompanies here in the US do things that are illegal all the time. That doesn't mean they don't recognize the US government.
- MichaelZuo 4y agoAll companies in the US presumably have some legal basis in US law even if not all of them are complying 100% of the time. The equivalent situation would be if a Canadian or Mexican company simply started doing business with physical premises in Alaska or Nevada without bothering to file a single page of paperwork to any US authority. Since this is a commonly understood difference the comment seems like it was made in bad faith.
- cmeacham98 4y agoThat analogy is so bad I honestly wonder if _you're_ commenting in bad faith: 1. RIPE has basis in Ukrainian law: they supply all the IPs the Ukrainian ISPs use too. 2. You're acting like RIPE moved into Crimea after the annexation, while in reality they were operating there prior to it. 3. RIPE does not (to the best of my knowledge) have any official presence in either Ukraine or Crimea. A better analogy would be something along the lines of "A business had customers in both the north and south US. Then, the US Civil war happened and the Union made it illegal to do business with the Confederacy. The business continued to have customers in the Union and Confederacy, in violation of US law."
- MichaelZuo 4y agoI wasn't discussing what the legal basis of RIPE is anywhere. Nor does anyone else appear to be.