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> How are you going to work on long term plans with elections every 2 or 4 years? Oh I completely agree. I'm not in favor of the current system, more dubious o

> How are you going to work on long term plans with elections every 2 or 4 years? Oh I completely agree. I'm not in favor of the current system, more dubious of randomly picking rulers. If you look at efficiency, authocratic countries are working much better than democratic ones at the moment.

yladiz 4y ago
It’s misleading because they seem to function better but in the long term they always have significant systemic issues due to the political system that are either nonexistent or minimized in a more democratic society.
gotorazor 4y ago
If an autocratic country isn't doing well, how would you know? Who would loudly say anything? Please also note that many forms of non-democratic government. Some work better than others.
- pastacacioepepe 4y ago
  > If an autocratic country isn't doing well, how would you know? Who would loudly say anything? Protests and rebellions happen all the time, no matter how heavily autocratic a country is. You see this everywhere in the world, look at Iran where protesters are shot but keep protesting. Hell, just look at history, look at how much lives have been sacrificed on the altar of revolution. I don't believe that any autocracy could suppress discontent enough for the rest of the world to not know, if widely spread.
Tainnor 4y ago
> If you look at efficiency, authocratic countries are working much better than democratic ones at the moment. Like Erdogan's Turkey where inflation is currently at 83%? Or Putin's Russia that can't even launch a successful military campaign against a supposedly weaker opponent? Or China who's unsuccessfully been trying to stamp out Covid for months now with brutal lockdowns harsher than anything that covid skepticists are talking about in the West? Or Venezuela? North Korea?
- pastacacioepepe 4y ago
  You mean the same Russia that is surviving economic and military war from the entire west while Europe risks a political and economical collapse this winter, or the Venezuela that survives despite inhumane sanctions imposed by the US, or the China that lifted hundreds of millions from poverty and that can build a colossal sophisticated high speed transport system in mere years while the US can't even build a small high speed railway in California without gigantic cost increases and delays of years, or even the Cuba that despite decades of inhumane sanctions from the US has one of the most advanced healthcare systems in the world?
  - mcv 4y ago
    > the same Russia that is surviving economic and military war from the entire west while Europe risks a political and economical collapse this winter, It's not a war "from the entire west". The war is from Russia. They started a war that they can't finish, but even before the war, Russia hasn't been doing great, whereas all their former vassal states that have changed to democratic systems have been doing very well. In fact, that's part of the reason for Putin's war: if Ukraine goes the same route, that would show more clearly to the Russian people how badly Putin's system is failing, and they might demand the same for Russia. In fact, part of the reason that Russia is performing so badly in this war, is Russia's autocracy. Many officials who are supposed to inform Putin or perform certain military roles, are doing so not with the goal of doing the best possible job, but with the goal of not angering Putin. Because he can break them. So they lie about any bad news, which has lead Putin to start a bad war based on faulty information, with an army that's poorly lead.
    - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
      I'm not interested in wasting time over the trite debate of who started first. It's irrelevant. Put it how you want, the entire west is at war with Russia, and they are holding much better than we'd like to admit.
      - yladiz 4y ago

yladiz 4y ago

It’s misleading because they seem to function better but in the long term they always have significant systemic issues due to the political system that are either nonexistent or minimized in a more democratic society.

gotorazor 4y ago

If an autocratic country isn't doing well, how would you know? Who would loudly say anything? Please also note that many forms of non-democratic government. Some work better than others.

pastacacioepepe 4y ago
> If an autocratic country isn't doing well, how would you know? Who would loudly say anything? Protests and rebellions happen all the time, no matter how heavily autocratic a country is. You see this everywhere in the world, look at Iran where protesters are shot but keep protesting. Hell, just look at history, look at how much lives have been sacrificed on the altar of revolution. I don't believe that any autocracy could suppress discontent enough for the rest of the world to not know, if widely spread.

Tainnor 4y ago

> If you look at efficiency, authocratic countries are working much better than democratic ones at the moment. Like Erdogan's Turkey where inflation is currently at 83%? Or Putin's Russia that can't even launch a successful military campaign against a supposedly weaker opponent? Or China who's unsuccessfully been trying to stamp out Covid for months now with brutal lockdowns harsher than anything that covid skepticists are talking about in the West? Or Venezuela? North Korea?

pastacacioepepe 4y ago
You mean the same Russia that is surviving economic and military war from the entire west while Europe risks a political and economical collapse this winter, or the Venezuela that survives despite inhumane sanctions imposed by the US, or the China that lifted hundreds of millions from poverty and that can build a colossal sophisticated high speed transport system in mere years while the US can't even build a small high speed railway in California without gigantic cost increases and delays of years, or even the Cuba that despite decades of inhumane sanctions from the US has one of the most advanced healthcare systems in the world?
- mcv 4y ago
  > the same Russia that is surviving economic and military war from the entire west while Europe risks a political and economical collapse this winter, It's not a war "from the entire west". The war is from Russia. They started a war that they can't finish, but even before the war, Russia hasn't been doing great, whereas all their former vassal states that have changed to democratic systems have been doing very well. In fact, that's part of the reason for Putin's war: if Ukraine goes the same route, that would show more clearly to the Russian people how badly Putin's system is failing, and they might demand the same for Russia. In fact, part of the reason that Russia is performing so badly in this war, is Russia's autocracy. Many officials who are supposed to inform Putin or perform certain military roles, are doing so not with the goal of doing the best possible job, but with the goal of not angering Putin. Because he can break them. So they lie about any bad news, which has lead Putin to start a bad war based on faulty information, with an army that's poorly lead.
  - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
    I'm not interested in wasting time over the trite debate of who started first. It's irrelevant. Put it how you want, the entire west is at war with Russia, and they are holding much better than we'd like to admit.
    - yladiz 4y ago