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No, they didn't. This has been debunked numerous times. The evidence for that is on KF itself. The people who perpetuate this narrative are people actually enga

No, they didn't. This has been debunked numerous times. The evidence for that is on KF itself. The people who perpetuate this narrative are people actually engaged in harassment against others whose activities are documented on KF using their own words which, oddly enough, they really don't like... leading them to attempt mass deplatforming. Anyone with more than a passing familiarity with this situation knows the score, and no one is fooled.

nisegami 4y ago
I saw it with my own eyes as a user of the site. Yes, KF was used to document awful things by awful people, but it was also used to encourage harassment of people who were just existing (well, existing while trans mostly). A few of those people took their own lives and blamed the harassment that KF enabled.
- EarlKing 4y ago
  > Yes, KF was used to document awful things by awful people, but it was also used to encourage harassment of people who were just existing (well, existing while trans mostly) No they didn't. Null and the mods are very, very emphatic that harassment is unacceptable (hence the phrase he loves to hate, "Don't touch the poop"). Further, nobody was ever nominated as a lolcow simply for being trans. There's nothing particularly funny about that. OTOH, people falsely accusing streamers of rape and trying to get hormones to minors all while holding yourself out as some kind of moral person? Yeah, that's pretty funny. > A few of those people took their own lives and blamed the harassment that KF enabled. There are exactly three people alleged to have offed themselves, and not one of them ever actually did it because of KF. That too is documented at KF since it's a lie that comes up so often. Since you're familiar with this, though, I'm sure you can name them. I'll wait.
  - bitwize 4y ago
    > Further, nobody was ever nominated as a lolcow simply for being trans. There is an entire forum called "Stinkditch". It exists to make fun of, and harass, trans people online pretty much for being trans and online.
    - EarlKing 4y ago
      "Stinkditch" is the category for lolcows who happen to be trans. There's also the Beauty Parlor for the beauty-adjacent, or the Internationale Clique for foreign lolcows. In no case is anyone in there simply for being trans, beautiful, or a foreigner. They are, however, there for engaging in horrendously unethical behavior which is documented using their own words. Oh, and look at that... KF is back on the clearnet... so you can verify all this yourself.
kragen 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms does not support your point of view: > Clara Sorrenti, a transgender activist and Twitch streamer under the name "Keffals", was doxxed on Kiwi Farms in a thread dedicated to discussing her. Users on the site posted personal information about her (e.g. addresses, phone numbers) as well as that of her friends and family. Users also leaked sexually explicit photos of her and made death threats.[34][35] She was later swatted, arrested, and detained for over ten hours in August 2022 when someone stole her identity and sent fake emails to local politicians threatening mass violence. She was later cleared of any wrongdoing, and police acknowledged the incident as a swatting attempt. Users also posted the address of an unrelated man who lives in the same city and shares her last name, and police were also sent to his residence. After the swatting incident, Sorrenti said she moved out of her home and into a hotel for her safety.[36][37] After she posted a photograph of her cat on the hotel bed, Kiwi Farms users identified the hotel from the bedsheets in the photograph, and sent multiple pizza orders to the hotel under her deadname. "Obviously, the pizza itself isn't the problem. It's the threat they send by telling me they know where I live and are willing to act on it in the real world," she said in a video after the incident.[36][37][38] Sorrenti later fled the country after her location was identified again, reportedly by someone who hacked her Uber account.[39] The incidents are being investigated as criminal harassment, and Sorrenti stated she intended to pursue legal action.[37][40][41]
- HereIGoAgain 4y ago
  And not one bit of even evidence that the site had anything to do with that.. Keffals wasn't even doxxed on the site, it was on another site. Plus the person in question just got done fighting and de-platforming another internet personality with a huge following and then gloating about taking away their livelihood. They didn't leak photos of Keffals, they found self posted porn from the past. Stop posting misinformation!
- bheadmaster 4y ago
  I don't want to stand on any side of the argument since I'm not very informed about KiwiFarm incident, but Wikipedia in general is not really a reliable source of truth. Skimming the references, almost all of them seem to point to news pages created after the CloudFlare ban, none of which seems to provide sources for their claims themselves. Obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/978/ https://xkcd.com/978/
sophacles 4y ago
Help me out - your favorite hate site is getting trash talked and doxxed. Please fill out this questionnaire. Are you: Upset that people can spread rumors you think are false? Upset that there are real world consequences to the stuff that's being said about you, independent of the truth of it? Angry that you are labeled as nazi sympathizer because you hang out on a site that has a lot of nazis? Embarassed that you subscribe to a belief summarized as "why are you upset? free speech!", and now you find yourself not championing the free speech of those attacking you? Aware of the delicious irony of your position?
- HereIGoAgain 4y ago
  "Has a lot of nazis"?? Do you have proof of this? (I mean I don't doubt that there is someone who does since the site has a pretty big user base and doesn't censor speech, let alone speakers for opinions but...)
- nervlord 4y ago
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- EarlKing 4y ago
  Ah, very good sir. While we're filling out questionnaires, perhaps you could indulge us in answering a few questions yourself: 1. Why are you defending someone who tries to get children access to hormones without the knowledge of their parents or doctors? 2. Can you name one person who demonstrably offed themselves because of what goes on at KF? Please provide evidence. 3. Is it 'hate' to document peoples' horrible activities using their own words? 4. Would you be this snarky if someone was saying these sorts of things about, say, HN? 5. Are you upset that there are people in this world who don't blithely accept the word of Wikipedia and journalists but rather engage in investigative journalism themselves? Thanks!
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  - sophacles 4y ago
    I see, afraid or unable to answer.... redirecting in seeming bad faith. I'll go ahead and mark you down in the "cowardly kiwifool" column - that seems to be most of you. Strange. Anyway, if you want to engage my questions I'll consider engaging in yours. (I use the same policy with you lot that I use with drug dealers, car salespeople and other unsavory hucksters - show me the goods then I'll give you what you're asking for if it's a reasonable exchange.)

nisegami 4y ago

I saw it with my own eyes as a user of the site. Yes, KF was used to document awful things by awful people, but it was also used to encourage harassment of people who were just existing (well, existing while trans mostly). A few of those people took their own lives and blamed the harassment that KF enabled.

EarlKing 4y ago
> Yes, KF was used to document awful things by awful people, but it was also used to encourage harassment of people who were just existing (well, existing while trans mostly) No they didn't. Null and the mods are very, very emphatic that harassment is unacceptable (hence the phrase he loves to hate, "Don't touch the poop"). Further, nobody was ever nominated as a lolcow simply for being trans. There's nothing particularly funny about that. OTOH, people falsely accusing streamers of rape and trying to get hormones to minors all while holding yourself out as some kind of moral person? Yeah, that's pretty funny. > A few of those people took their own lives and blamed the harassment that KF enabled. There are exactly three people alleged to have offed themselves, and not one of them ever actually did it because of KF. That too is documented at KF since it's a lie that comes up so often. Since you're familiar with this, though, I'm sure you can name them. I'll wait.
- bitwize 4y ago
  > Further, nobody was ever nominated as a lolcow simply for being trans. There is an entire forum called "Stinkditch". It exists to make fun of, and harass, trans people online pretty much for being trans and online.
  - EarlKing 4y ago
    "Stinkditch" is the category for lolcows who happen to be trans. There's also the Beauty Parlor for the beauty-adjacent, or the Internationale Clique for foreign lolcows. In no case is anyone in there simply for being trans, beautiful, or a foreigner. They are, however, there for engaging in horrendously unethical behavior which is documented using their own words. Oh, and look at that... KF is back on the clearnet... so you can verify all this yourself.

kragen 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms does not support your point of view: > Clara Sorrenti, a transgender activist and Twitch streamer under the name "Keffals", was doxxed on Kiwi Farms in a thread dedicated to discussing her. Users on the site posted personal information about her (e.g. addresses, phone numbers) as well as that of her friends and family. Users also leaked sexually explicit photos of her and made death threats.[34][35] She was later swatted, arrested, and detained for over ten hours in August 2022 when someone stole her identity and sent fake emails to local politicians threatening mass violence. She was later cleared of any wrongdoing, and police acknowledged the incident as a swatting attempt. Users also posted the address of an unrelated man who lives in the same city and shares her last name, and police were also sent to his residence. After the swatting incident, Sorrenti said she moved out of her home and into a hotel for her safety.[36][37] After she posted a photograph of her cat on the hotel bed, Kiwi Farms users identified the hotel from the bedsheets in the photograph, and sent multiple pizza orders to the hotel under her deadname. "Obviously, the pizza itself isn't the problem. It's the threat they send by telling me they know where I live and are willing to act on it in the real world," she said in a video after the incident.[36][37][38] Sorrenti later fled the country after her location was identified again, reportedly by someone who hacked her Uber account.[39] The incidents are being investigated as criminal harassment, and Sorrenti stated she intended to pursue legal action.[37][40][41]

HereIGoAgain 4y ago
And not one bit of even evidence that the site had anything to do with that.. Keffals wasn't even doxxed on the site, it was on another site. Plus the person in question just got done fighting and de-platforming another internet personality with a huge following and then gloating about taking away their livelihood. They didn't leak photos of Keffals, they found self posted porn from the past. Stop posting misinformation!
bheadmaster 4y ago
I don't want to stand on any side of the argument since I'm not very informed about KiwiFarm incident, but Wikipedia in general is not really a reliable source of truth. Skimming the references, almost all of them seem to point to news pages created after the CloudFlare ban, none of which seems to provide sources for their claims themselves. Obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/978/ https://xkcd.com/978/

sophacles 4y ago

Help me out - your favorite hate site is getting trash talked and doxxed. Please fill out this questionnaire. Are you: Upset that people can spread rumors you think are false? Upset that there are real world consequences to the stuff that's being said about you, independent of the truth of it? Angry that you are labeled as nazi sympathizer because you hang out on a site that has a lot of nazis? Embarassed that you subscribe to a belief summarized as "why are you upset? free speech!", and now you find yourself not championing the free speech of those attacking you? Aware of the delicious irony of your position?

HereIGoAgain 4y ago
"Has a lot of nazis"?? Do you have proof of this? (I mean I don't doubt that there is someone who does since the site has a pretty big user base and doesn't censor speech, let alone speakers for opinions but...)
nervlord 4y ago
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EarlKing 4y ago
Ah, very good sir. While we're filling out questionnaires, perhaps you could indulge us in answering a few questions yourself: 1. Why are you defending someone who tries to get children access to hormones without the knowledge of their parents or doctors? 2. Can you name one person who demonstrably offed themselves because of what goes on at KF? Please provide evidence. 3. Is it 'hate' to document peoples' horrible activities using their own words? 4. Would you be this snarky if someone was saying these sorts of things about, say, HN? 5. Are you upset that there are people in this world who don't blithely accept the word of Wikipedia and journalists but rather engage in investigative journalism themselves? Thanks!
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- sophacles 4y ago
  I see, afraid or unable to answer.... redirecting in seeming bad faith. I'll go ahead and mark you down in the "cowardly kiwifool" column - that seems to be most of you. Strange. Anyway, if you want to engage my questions I'll consider engaging in yours. (I use the same policy with you lot that I use with drug dealers, car salespeople and other unsavory hucksters - show me the goods then I'll give you what you're asking for if it's a reasonable exchange.)