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People use SourceHut for a wide variety of reasons. One of them is confidence in our strong moral compass and our willingness to make the right choices even if
by ddevault 4y ago
People use SourceHut for a wide variety of reasons. One of them is confidence in our strong moral compass and our willingness to make the right choices even if it could impact our profit, as contrasted with typical VC-funded operations in the market. I've never really heard anyone talk about SourceHut offering particularly more or less "freedom" than anyone else.
- trevyn 4y agoA single highly opinionated founder is great until it turns out that your opinions differ even slightly. I’ve been enjoying Codeberg as a GitHub/GitLab alternative.
- Hendrikto 4y agoI am a huge fan of your work. Thanks for all you have done. But you are so opinionated, unrealistic, and unreasonable. Are you seriously suggesting that arbitrary censorship is ”making the right choice“? You brush aside valid criticism to push your own ideology. A little restraint and pragmatism would go a long way. You are the modern RMS, both in a good and bad way.
- matthewmacleod 4y agoOpinionated, but objectively not unrealistic, unreasonable or arbitrary. There has been a clear statement made about the reasons for these actions and they are obviously realistic, reasonable and specific. You just don’t agree with them.
- Hendrikto 4y agoI am not only talking about this incident, but in general. There are many other examples, including Drew insulting people for having valid reasons not to use Wayland yet. Stuff like that.
- ddevault 4y agoI understand your frustration, but this is not arbitrary: we've outlined a specific niche and clearly stated our reasons for banning it, and set aside a means for projects to appeal. I am an opinionated person, and perhaps you find some of my opinions unrealistic or unreasonable. However, SourceHut is handled separately from my personal opinions and governed by clear and well-defined values which are much narrower than my personal beliefs.
- AlexAltea 4y agoWith all due respect, I do not care about your moral compass. I want the predictability that as long as I am not breaking the law, my data can be safely hosted. Am I supposed to now pay attention to law and the countless individual moral compasses of people/vendors I interact with? Moral compasses are tricky, some people let them run amok, and end up infecting computers with revenge-ransomware just for having their system language set to Russian, as it happened in March 2022. Was that also justified for the "greater good" of humanity? Of course, it's your project, your service... anybody can fork it or self-host it, but this only screams at me: "be wary of this guy and his services, you could be next". PS: I do not maintain cryptocurrency projects or trade any.
- ddevault 4y agoAll companies operate according to the moral compass (or lack thereof) of their founders. Some of them simply choose not to state their morals. I don't think that the slippery slope argument which is being made here and throughout the thread holds much water. We've made no indications that we're planning to address any other use-cases in this manner and we've made the reasoning behind our decisions pretty clear; it's my hope that you can infer our future behavior from these details. If you want any clarifications on SourceHut's position on any other topics, I would be happy to share my thoughts.
- AlexAltea 4y agoI was not implying that you'll slip into such extreme policies, it's just that people with strong moral compasses are often unable to reevaluate their positions: "this is good, so it cannot be wrong". Which leaves me no choice but to trust all my future projects to services run by people as you put it, "without a moral compass". If I'm into (say) 3D printing and create software for it, I simply will not risk getting de-platformed just because some dude is upset people are 3D printing guns and guns are bad. The day 3D printing is illegal/restricted, I'll stop or accommodate to regulations. I chose "3D printing" as something innocuous, but feel free to replace it with anything divisive and controversial... People just do not realize who *exhausting* it is dealing with founders with strong moral compasses. (And yes, I get it's their/your prerogative and if I don't like it I can GTFO. Just venting off.)